The Age of PageRank Is Over • Hacker News Board

Re: The Age of PageRank Is Over

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Post by artificial » Wed, Nov 09, 2022, 9:44 PM UTC

matai_kolila wrote: post #11

What a completely disconnected-from-reality article. There are so many ways to use Google to obtain the information you're looking for, and so many people do it literally on a minute-to-minute basis that it's flat absurd to call that ineffective. It's trivially easy to learn something by typing a question into Google; maybe when writing an article try gut checking it against obvious observed reality first. I simply c…

Search peaked 10 years ago. There's lots of regression in Google Search. For example, you used to be able to search images by specific dimensions. You can do this today on Yandex. The quality of results and promotion of sponsored results, the scraping and displaying of site contents so users visit less (how is this legal btw?) Not respecting verbatim searches.

Re: The Age of PageRank Is Over

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Post by artificial » Wed, Nov 09, 2022, 9:45 PM UTC

beckingz wrote: post #2

Reject modernity, embrace tradition: we're going back to user curated indexes like it's the 90s! Time to join a web ring.

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Re: The Age of PageRank Is Over

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Post by lesuorac » Wed, Nov 09, 2022, 9:45 PM UTC

beckingz wrote: post #2

Reject modernity, embrace tradition: we're going back to user curated indexes like it's the 90s! Time to join a web ring.

I do wonder how unique web searches really are. It'd definitely take some time to achieve a critical mass but I swear most of the stuff I want to look up I could do with an index although sites come and go so the larger your index gets the more upkeep it costs.

I think the biggest issue is live news but I mean then just pay like 12 people to watch news/sports networks and you won't be that far behind. (Or just have an section of the index for live information and let users to go nfl/espn/oan/cnn).

Re: The Age of PageRank Is Over

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Post by ispo » Wed, Nov 09, 2022, 9:45 PM UTC

This reads like this is the death of all network centrality algorithms, and no way, guys, no way. At most this application will somehow decline even if only for a while.

Re: The Age of PageRank Is Over

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Post by dageshi » Wed, Nov 09, 2022, 9:45 PM UTC

The people who used to make niche sites that helped people and linked to other sites moved to youtube.

Plenty of excellent youtube channels that 10 years ago would've been websites.

I don't really have a problem with this, all things change.

Re: The Age of PageRank Is Over

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Post by matai_kolila » Wed, Nov 09, 2022, 9:47 PM UTC

artificial wrote: post #21

matai_kolila wrote: post #11

What a completely disconnected-from-reality article. There are so many ways to use Google to obtain the information you're looking for, and so many people do it literally on a minute-to-minute basis that it's flat absurd to call that ineffective. It's trivially easy to learn something by typing a question into Google; maybe when writing an article try gut checking it against obvious observed reality first. I simply c…

Search peaked 10 years ago. There's lots of regression in Google Search. For example, you used to be able to search images by specific dimensions. You can do this today on Yandex. The quality of results and promotion of sponsored results, the scraping and displaying of site contents so users visit less (how is this legal btw?) Not respecting verbatim searches.

That's not really what this article is about though, it's about how PageRank doesn't work anymore because advertising is at odds with returning valuable results, which is complete nonsense for a gigantic subset of the value that Google offers.

Also it's written by a CEO of a competing search company. It's literally the very SEO he's railing against...

Re: The Age of PageRank Is Over

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Post by endisneigh » Wed, Nov 09, 2022, 9:47 PM UTC

If Kagi gets popular it would have the same problems as Google today has. They’re unavoidable.

You can mitigate it with curation, but then you’re bound to niches and bias, which is true with automation as well. No victory here.

Re: The Age of PageRank Is Over

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Post by knicholes » Wed, Nov 09, 2022, 9:47 PM UTC

widdershins wrote: post #18

I've been using Kagi the last few months. I've never had a reason to complain about its search results - they seem to work plenty well enough day to day that I don't really 'notice' them. Like most, I now search reflexively, as an extension of the mind, so I only 'notice' search when it's bad. What really excites me is that is that I'm paying them. That sounds odd, but seriously. It's incredibly refreshing to know th…

Oh, but you CAN tell if they're sending those keypresses back to the mothership by monitoring the networking tab in your browser.

Re: The Age of PageRank Is Over

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Post by a-dub » Wed, Nov 09, 2022, 9:48 PM UTC

it amuses me greatly that 30 years in to the great commercialized internet experiment, we still don't have durable mechanisms for publishing, spam filtering, identification, reputation, moderation and discovery.

Re: The Age of PageRank Is Over

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Post by barbazoo » Wed, Nov 09, 2022, 9:48 PM UTC

matai_kolila wrote: post #11

What a completely disconnected-from-reality article. There are so many ways to use Google to obtain the information you're looking for, and so many people do it literally on a minute-to-minute basis that it's flat absurd to call that ineffective. It's trivially easy to learn something by typing a question into Google; maybe when writing an article try gut checking it against obvious observed reality first. I simply c…

For me, almost everything that's not coding related, and that's after all the SO clones etc have been removed from the results, is SEO "optimized" at best and SEO spam at worst. Most websites that show up on Google follow the same recipe of headlines, quotes, stock images and repetitive content and annoying introduction paragraphs that place them at the top of the list.