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So what does it mean?
He's really doing them all a tremendous favor, and he'd just like to see a little gratitude.
lol of course
Meta’s Mark Zuckerberg Says He Is Accountable as Company Preps for Mass Layoffs
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Re: Meta’s Mark Zuckerberg Says He Is Accountable as Company Preps for Mass Layoffs
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I’ll be very frank on the fact that if your pursuit of happiness requires millions to billions of others to suffer, I will ascribe zero importance to what makes you happy. Your right to swing your fist ends at my nose and all that. I’m also gonna quickly cut ahead on your libertarian style argument here and ask you how you think negative externalities generated by individuals should be handled. If your opinion is to…
> I will ascribe zero importance to what makes you happy. You are saying zero, but it appears to me you ascribe quite a lot of importance. Enough to propose to put limits on what he is allowed to do. Externalities and tip of the nose? I fully concur with you here. If he's hurting anyone, he should be punished. But the externality you are talking about here is a very vague one, that him being rich makes the life of ot…
Musk did not do anything for the advancement of electric vehicles. the Tesla Engineers did that, a company he bought into and was operating without him.
Jesus libertarians drive me up a wall.
Re: Meta’s Mark Zuckerberg Says He Is Accountable as Company Preps for Mass Layoffs
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’ll be very frank on the fact that if your pursuit of happiness requires millions to billions of others to suffer, I will ascribe zero importance to what makes you happy. Your right to swing your fist ends at my nose and all that. I’m also gonna quickly cut ahead on your libertarian style argument here and ask you how you think negative externalities generated by individuals should be handled. If your opinion is to…
> I will ascribe zero importance to what makes you happy. You are saying zero, but it appears to me you ascribe quite a lot of importance. Enough to propose to put limits on what he is allowed to do. Externalities and tip of the nose? I fully concur with you here. If he's hurting anyone, he should be punished. But the externality you are talking about here is a very vague one, that him being rich makes the life of ot…
> How do you account for positive externalities?
The market did by assigning them enough wealth to not have to care about any needs anymore. I’m saying there should be a cap on that since eventually they accumulate enough wealth to distort the market and harm everyone else by their existence, like a financial singularity.
The idea that you’re asking what extra brownie points you can assign to people who are so wealthy that they can buy a company as a joke and then get rid of thousands of jobs, already implies that you see zero value in human lives and are full on the lolbertarian train
It’s looks like I remain unsurprised
Re: Meta’s Mark Zuckerberg Says He Is Accountable as Company Preps for Mass Layoffs
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Well he do something meaningful - say pay a full years wages for everyone laid off from his personal funds
You think he should donate $1,000,000,000+ to the employees his company needs the least?
well yes, he brought them in - many if not most were probably just fine in the previous jobs. If he truly feels accountable for what's happening to the people being laid off why shouldn't he.
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You think he should donate $1,000,000,000+ to the employees his company needs the least?
well yes, he brought them in - many if not most were probably just fine in the previous jobs. If he truly feels accountable for what's happening to the people being laid off why shouldn't he.
It's not like he's depriving them of a job, they can go work somewhere else.
Re: Meta’s Mark Zuckerberg Says He Is Accountable as Company Preps for Mass Layoffs
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I will ascribe zero importance to what makes you happy. You are saying zero, but it appears to me you ascribe quite a lot of importance. Enough to propose to put limits on what he is allowed to do. Externalities and tip of the nose? I fully concur with you here. If he's hurting anyone, he should be punished. But the externality you are talking about here is a very vague one, that him being rich makes the life of ot…
Musk did not do anything for the advancement of electric vehicles. the Tesla Engineers did that, a company he bought into and was operating without him. Jesus libertarians drive me up a wall.
> the Tesla Engineers did that
For some reason the Lucid Air engineers are not doing the same. Or the engineers at Rivian, or Fisker, or Lotus, or Koenigsegg. Are those engineers really so bad?
> a company he bought into and was operating without him.
When Musk took over Tesla, half a year after it was founded, Tesla was producing exactly zero cars per month. And per year. And next year, and the next, and the next.
After that they started selling the Roadster. Many other businessmen would have been perfectly happy to have a boutique car company focused on delivering luxury sports cars at a good margin.
The decision to move downmarket and towards mass production was not an engineering decision. All the Tesla engineers deserve zero credit for that. That's a bold business gamble. Musk bet the house, and won.
It's very easy to claim leaders are just leaches sucking the blood of the workers who work for them. And we should confiscate their wealth, because they don't deserve it. It's a bit more sobering to accept that some of these people do actually bring something to the table. Something that an additional 1000 or 10000 engineers in the company can't bring. Look at Microsoft under Balmer and then Nadela. Same engineers. Just a different leader. Or look at Apple before Jobs came back onboard to save it from bankruptcy in 1997. Same engineers, just a new leader with a different vision and different drive.
Finally, welcome to HN. In time you'll come to appreciate the level of discussion around here. A good read to get familiar with the etiquette is [1]. It's all really, really good, and this one paragraph in particular
When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3."
Re: Meta’s Mark Zuckerberg Says He Is Accountable as Company Preps for Mass Layoffs
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Is being a billionaire necessary for any of those or even related? Possibly on the liberty angle but someone controlling that much wealth is decreasing the liberty of everyone else in the economy
It's the pursuit of happiness. Zuckerberg is pursuing his own happiness. You claim we, as a society, have to curtail that at a given level. I for one don't subscribe to that theory.
Society often prevents people from pursuing their happiness, when such pursuit would be harmful to others. This doesn't mean the pursuit of happiness isn't important, only that it isn't an absolute.