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Z-Library Aftermath Reveals the Feds Seized Dozens of Domain Names

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Re: Z-Library Aftermath Reveals the Feds Seized Dozens of Domain Names

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Post by airstrike »

somenameforme wrote: post #29
vegetablepotpie wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn’t happen because most people can’t or won’t participate in government. This is because many government meetings are held during the day, during working hours, usually in places far from the individuals affected. The people who do show up are independently wealthy, retirees, and people being paid to represent an organization. Representitive government doesn’t, and cannot represent the people.

The founding vision of the US was one where the further away government was from the people, the less impact it would have on their lives. The Federal government was to have an extremely limited role in society, largely tasked with things such as international relations. Your day to day would primarily be affect by your state, and ideally on downward with a further delegation of responsibilities getting closer and cl…

> the further away government was from the people, the less impact it would have on their lives

the corollary being the further away government is from the people, the less accountable it is

Exhibit A: Brasilia

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Post by rbanffy »

boxed wrote: post #4
psychphysic wrote: post #3

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It would have been a godsend when I was still academic. This and sci-hub. The way they eviscerated the service makes clear that in general we need more robust web services. Tor is not ideal for this, onions are excellent and fill their niche really well. But we need something simpler here.

What is needed is a strong government for the people, by the people. Without that, it really doesn't matter what tech you can cobble together.

> it really doesn't matter what tech you can cobble together.

We need to be careful with that - it's one thing to make tools that help circumvent harmful behaviors, such as censorship and privacy violations, but rendering authorities unable to enforce laws (or forcing them to partially enforce them, based on who has and who hasn't technology protecting them) is not a desirable outcome.

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Post by airstrike »

I understand IP laws, rewarding the authors, incentivizing future research, etc. etc.

But intuitively and conceptually, there is a hypothetical scenario in which all of humanity's knowledge is ~free for anyone to access instantaneously and from anywhere.

The current scenario in which every meaningful piece of academic output is heavily paywalled makes for a disheartening comparison.

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Post by CommitSyn »

psychphysic wrote: post #50
synergy20 wrote: post #9

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aren't tor and onion pairs,why one not ideal while another excellent? confused.

I just butchered the sentence. Tor/Onion addresses are great at what they do, but not appropriate to solve this problem. It's basically ideal for drug dealing when infrequently small amounts of data are exchanged and a crypto payment made. Not idea for frequently accessing large chunks of data 1-100mb PDFs.

> Not idea for frequently accessing large chunks of data 1-100mb PDFs.

This is where I2P and eepsites shine.

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Post by MichaelCollins »

whoknew1122 wrote: post #40
somenameforme wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The founding vision of the US was one where the further away government was from the people, the less impact it would have on their lives. The Federal government was to have an extremely limited role in society, largely tasked with things such as international relations. Your day to day would primarily be affect by your state, and ideally on downward with a further delegation of responsibilities getting closer and cl…

The founders were also deathly afraid of a standing army. This is why a defense authorization bill is passed every two years. People might debate how much money should be put toward defense spending, but few people would argue that we should dissolve the military and call up citizens only when conflict happens. They also explicitly dismissed the idea of one person, one vote. And this all ignores the fact that there w…

> With all that said, we shouldn't be hamstrung by what a deeply flawed group of people decided in the late 1700s.

Bringing this back to the discussion at hand, your point seems completely off the mark and basically irrelevant. The current copyright regime is nothing like what was created by those men hundreds of years ago. In the late 18th century after the country was founded, copyright was limited to 14 years plus another 14 year extension if the author was still alive. Going back to that would be a great idea.

Re: Z-Library Aftermath Reveals the Feds Seized Dozens of Domain Names

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Post by newfonewhodis »

user3939382 wrote: post #58

Making no comment on ethics, it's amazing that we're able to create a multi-billion dollar industry over gatekeeping 30 TB of data. Obviously there are more books than that but I'm sure it's a long-tail situation.

Wait till they find out about credit agencies.

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Post by kristjansson »

somenameforme wrote: post #29
vegetablepotpie wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn’t happen because most people can’t or won’t participate in government. This is because many government meetings are held during the day, during working hours, usually in places far from the individuals affected. The people who do show up are independently wealthy, retirees, and people being paid to represent an organization. Representitive government doesn’t, and cannot represent the people.

The founding vision of the US was one where the further away government was from the people, the less impact it would have on their lives. The Federal government was to have an extremely limited role in society, largely tasked with things such as international relations. Your day to day would primarily be affect by your state, and ideally on downward with a further delegation of responsibilities getting closer and cl…

Don't forget that decentralization trends toward inequity too. A key function of 'centralized' government is protecting individuals from the tyranny of their local majority.
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