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Ask HN: Why is there no way to lower amber alert volume on headphones?

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Re: Ask HN: Why is there no way to lower amber alert volume on headphones?

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It's getting worse. Most US states [1] have started to use the phone siren system for injured cops as well. Regardless of your politics on this, what exactly am I supposed to do with a notification at 2AM that a cop was shot 400 miles away? Seems like the phone alert system is being used to push public perceptions rather than public safety. [1] https://cops.usdoj.gov/BlueAlert

> Seems like the phone alert system is being used to push public perceptions rather than public safety. Yes, they absolutely are. Just a couple weeks ago, local law enforcement sent out an incredibly vague shelter-in-place active-shooter alert across the entire Twin Cities area for a situation in a suburb that was resolved about five minutes later[1]. Schools were locked down, buildings closed, etc. And wouldn't you…

FWIW, I live in Minneapolis and didn’t receive that alert (just confirmed that I have emergency alerts enabled in iOS).

Re: Ask HN: Why is there no way to lower amber alert volume on headphones?

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Why are they useless? I grew up in an area with tornadoes and when one came ripping through my childhood suburb and destroyed some houses I was happy to have forewarning.

> Why are they useless? I can’t speak to tornado alerts, but the Amber Alert child alerts were becoming excessive and useless in my state. I was getting alerts from many hundreds of miles away, often while trying to sleep. Other times they’d forget to put relevant information in the first alert so they’d send several more to follow up. When we finally got a series of multiple Amber alerts in the middle of the night,…

I agree, insofar that the integrated cellular emergency alert system is not good. I disabled all but presidential alerts (which should theoretically never happen until ICBMs are flying over our heads, except that one time in Hawaii), and signed up for City/County EMA texts for weather and hazards warnings. I also have a weather radio sitting in the corner with SAME alerts enabled.

Sure, that might not work well when I'm on travel, but when I'm on travel I'm typically in places with a ton of built-in mass notifications systems (airports, metro & train stations, roadside state DOT banners) so I don't feel I'm missing out.

Re: Ask HN: Why is there no way to lower amber alert volume on headphones?

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Why do Americans need amber alerts? How come the rest of the world apparently doesn’t?

We have them in the Netherlands as well, but not nearly as many. You get about 1 or 2 per year that happen as a message to everyone, only used for life threatening situations. And then around 15 per year for which only an app notification and social media are sent.

The Netherlands apparently has 17.5 million people, presumably some of which are children.

The USA has 332 million people, at least 3 of which are children, and gets about 200 Amber alerts/year (usually not nationwide, only locally, which can be an entire state).

The numbers line up if you count the "app notice" only ones.

Re: Ask HN: Why is there no way to lower amber alert volume on headphones?

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Full disclosure: I pulled this information out of my arse, but perhaps it's to avoid the situation where you leave them connected without realising? If it plays at max volume through the headphones you have a better chance of hearing it even if you're not actually wearing the headphones

If that's the purpose, a better version would start out quiet and get louder over time to give people a chance to remove the earbuds.

The iPhone even does this with the "find my iPhone" alert, it starts out vibrating and then makes noise and gets louder and louder until you find it.

Something similar could easily be done.

I wonder if the "limit max volume" setting elsewhere does anything at all. I suppose it's hard to test.

Re: Ask HN: Why is there no way to lower amber alert volume on headphones?

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We get them every single time a thunderstorm sniffs at anything in the tricounty area. There may be a way to turn off the "Watch" alerts and still keep the "we are gonna die" alerts. The one time we got the green sky of doom the phone did explode in a way not normally seen, so I assume they know something about crying wolf. As for amber alerts being useless - something like 90% (?) of the time it's a custody dispute…

I have a weather radio in our bedroom with only two alerts enabled: tornado warning (not watch), and the nuclear power plant 6 miles away just had an incident, whatever that’s called. Weather radio alerts are very granular and most radios will let you configure just the ones you want to hear. https://www.weather.gov/nwr/eventcodes

It's always fun to watch the new people near the plant when the emergency alert warning system is tested. Most people do NOT expect a "voice of God" to start yelling at them out of nowhere, even if it is only a test.

Once you know about them, they're relatively easy to spot (look in areas near power plants, downstream of dams, etc).

You can find some here and use them as ringtones!

https://www.whelenmassnotification.com/recorded-message-libr...

Re: Ask HN: Why is there no way to lower amber alert volume on headphones?

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I very much doubt that there is any technical reason for the alerts always being loud. It's a deliberate decision. Like the whole idea of amber alerts, it is a matter of authorities taking decisions that make them feel good, without considering the consequences. Amber alerts are bad. We get them now and them in Ontario at 3am, sent to the entire (rather large) province. This is idiotic. The probability that someone w…

There is no such thing as Phone/Mobile AMBER Alerts in Ontario.

The US system has different levels of alerts: Presidential/National Alerts, AMBER Alerts, Extreme Weather Alerts, Dangerous Weather Alerts, etc. On my Pixel 6, everything but the Presidential/National Alerts can be disabled. Same with my wife's Galaxy S22. I assume the same for iPhones.

However the Canadian system (which is heavily based on the American system) is setup differently. All alerts are sent as 'National/Presidential Alerts'. None of the other alert levels are used.

Re: Ask HN: Why is there no way to lower amber alert volume on headphones?

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I very much doubt that there is any technical reason for the alerts always being loud. It's a deliberate decision. Like the whole idea of amber alerts, it is a matter of authorities taking decisions that make them feel good, without considering the consequences. Amber alerts are bad. We get them now and them in Ontario at 3am, sent to the entire (rather large) province. This is idiotic. The probability that someone w…

Ontario is worse than most places because, at least as of a couple of years ago, they send all alerts as Presidential alerts, meaning they can't be turned off at all.

Its all Presidental Alerts. But its not just Ontario, its all of Canada!

Re: Ask HN: Why is there no way to lower amber alert volume on headphones?

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I very much doubt that there is any technical reason for the alerts always being loud. It's a deliberate decision. Like the whole idea of amber alerts, it is a matter of authorities taking decisions that make them feel good, without considering the consequences. Amber alerts are bad. We get them now and them in Ontario at 3am, sent to the entire (rather large) province. This is idiotic. The probability that someone w…

There is no such thing as Phone/Mobile AMBER Alerts in Ontario. The US system has different levels of alerts: Presidential/National Alerts, AMBER Alerts, Extreme Weather Alerts, Dangerous Weather Alerts, etc. On my Pixel 6, everything but the Presidential/National Alerts can be disabled. Same with my wife's Galaxy S22. I assume the same for iPhones. However the Canadian system (which is heavily based on the American…

Ontario does have amber alerts

https://amberalert.opp.ca/

Re: Ask HN: Why is there no way to lower amber alert volume on headphones?

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Why are they useless? I grew up in an area with tornadoes and when one came ripping through my childhood suburb and destroyed some houses I was happy to have forewarning.

I have amber alerts disabled but still receive weather emergency notifications. Which makes sense. Perhaps it works differently in different states? In Texas my iPhone has this alert granularity: AMBER Emergency Public Safety Test

Depends on where you are. In Canada, our system sends everything as "National/Presidential Alerts". We don't use the different levels at all. So AMBER Alert, Weather Alert, etc are all Presidential/National Alerts.

Re: Ask HN: Why is there no way to lower amber alert volume on headphones?

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Reading this thread, I’m not sure what’s worse. The USA, where phones apparently randomly go off at any time for no good reason at a loud volume level, or Germany, where our alerting system is so broken that at the last testing round half of us didn’t get any alerts (these are supposed to be for actual emergencies, not custody disputes), and the rest received them over a time frame of several hours.

> The USA, where phones apparently randomly go off at any time for no good reason at a loud volume FYI, this isn’t unique to the USA. Canada has serious problems, too, especially in Ontario. There are also various references to Belgium and other countries in this thread.

That's cause in Canada, we send EVERYTHING as "Presidential/National Alert". We don't use the different levels for alerting.
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