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TikTok’s greatest asset isn’t its algorithm, it’s your phone

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Re: TikTok’s greatest asset isn’t its algorithm, it’s your phone

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> I think TikTok and similar products are garbage and will lower the average IQ, especially of younger generations. I have lots of concerns about TikTok and refuse to use it myself. But this is ridiculous - and that upsets me quite a bit because is delegitimizes the actual problems with TikTok. TikTok will not lower anyone's IQ. This is straight up just old man yelling at cloud. And that does us all a disservice.

Previous generations spouted the same strawman about TV, and in general, all previous forms of media

I am pretty damn sure if I didn't waste tons of time as a kid in front of TV and even more in front of computer playing highly addictive games my IQ score would be higher, I would have much wider breadth of knowledge and would be a more complete person.

I caught up on that later on life, but no thanx to this addictive media, but rather by cutting them off and spending time better, much better.

Let's not normalize addictions, human brains for some evolutionary reason we don't grok completely yet have this weakness, which was probably a strength in distant past.

Have you seen many kids these days where parents don't curate their access to internet? My friend there is no big difference between rock-bottom heroin addict and them. Trying all kinds of mind tricks, extortion, fists, lying, stealing (devices) just to get more tiktok time, watch more streams, play more online games. It is a sad view, and normalizing it hurt those victims badly.

My kiddos are too small for this (1 i almost and another a bit more than a year) but I can already see how addictive screens are to those, even if we play them old bedtime tales from youtube that we used to watch as kids. Now active screens are on completely different levels and kids have no way to defend themselves. Heck look at how many adults are addicted to that. Many even refuse to admit it, like word "addict" means failure, rock-bottom, needle sticking out of forehand instead of spectrum of impairments, ie higher restlessness, being more nervous etc. Just like sugar of nicotine withdrawals.

Re: TikTok’s greatest asset isn’t its algorithm, it’s your phone

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Where is the time limit in Netflix for Kids? All I see is a selection of content that is appropriate for children. It is much easier to set a limit on a device that is cold and inhuman and can't be pleaded with for more screen time than it is to try and manually enforce such a limit.

> Where is the time limit in Netflix for Kids? It's called parenting > It is much easier to set a limit on a device that is cold and inhuman and can't be pleaded with for more screen time than it is to try and manually enforce such a limit. If you don't want to do parenting, then you can also block access to netflix (or from the tv or whatever) at your router.

Thanks for the parent shaming.

Re: TikTok’s greatest asset isn’t its algorithm, it’s your phone

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The question is asking about multiple apps coordinating. Wouldn’t this require a central database and an API for querying/updating time spent in an app per ID? Where is that API?

Yes that's what I meant, the apps coordinate by being linked to some government ID. At least that's what I've heard.

I am quite skeptical of this. There would have to be an API. There would have to be documentation for that. There would likely be keys assigned to individual apps.

Re: TikTok’s greatest asset isn’t its algorithm, it’s your phone

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I use a TikTok proxy website, scrap it, make an RSS/Atom feed with embedded videos and watch them without undue influence from an algorithm, only the accounts, searches and tags I care about.

Albeit this is not for privacy reasons, but because it is just better, as my feed reader has killfiles and is optimized for my liking.

TikTok's (and all of Big Tech) surveillance is electromagnetic, not really tied to phones (data collected from phones are just a way to give the impression they don't have other means of surveillance).

Privacy never existed and I look forward to proving this in court with a repeatable experiment that can be done by anyone.

Re: TikTok’s greatest asset isn’t its algorithm, it’s your phone

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> it encourages harmful behaviours both while using the app (aka mindlessly hollow crap TV couldn't dream of) and off-app (by showing you stupid shit that gets promoted to the top, therefore implicitly approved by society). I don't see how TikTok is any different than YouTube, Twitter and Instagram in this regard. The Cinnamon Challenge is almost 10 years old at this point. > he kind of activities that the "TikTok al…

Most of the content on youtube is trash, but some of it isn't. On youtube you can find lectures and talks, historic films, documentaries and instructional videos. Tiktok's short-video format does not support any of that. The videos purporting to be educational are vapid shallow trash, necessarily, because of the short-video format. > Because the Chinese government has regulations against it. The same government, conv…

> Most of the content on youtube is trash, but some of it isn't. On youtube you can find lectures and talks, historic films, documentaries and instructional videos. Tiktok's short-video format does not support any of that. The videos purporting to be educational are vapid shallow trash, necessarily, because of the short-video format.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMFf9DcwA/

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMFf9LQeu/

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https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMFf9rKh5/

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMFf9KY6c/

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMFf9QHH5/

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Re: TikTok’s greatest asset isn’t its algorithm, it’s your phone

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I don't know why, but I hate the tiktok trends and it's spread all over other platforms (eg. "shorts" on youtube). Cooking channel? What was once a 10 minute video with a recipe and all the details is now a reddit-gif style recipe, 30 seconds without any details (eg. how cooked the first ingredient is, when s/he throws in the second, etc.). Tech channel? Yeah, 30 seconds can only be a teaser (=ad) for a full video. M…

It depends on the content. YouTube rewards long watch times, which is why the people creating content stretch the video's duration regardless of whether it's needed or not.

Much of the content in the past was largely devoid of actual content with the focus being to build up suspense to get the person to keep watching. Take those slow-mo videos, for example. There's a few seconds or a minute of actual content - the rest is just filler. Myth Busters was the same years ago.

I'll watch a longer video if the amount of content in it justifies this. That's rarely the case for me, though.

Re: TikTok’s greatest asset isn’t its algorithm, it’s your phone

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> If anybody has any tips about how to get a better feed, I'm willing to give it another go. I do. Don't waste time by trying to find the stuff you want by explicitly searching for specific tags (aside from maybe for the purpose of the initial seeding, but that's not a must at all). That would indeed bring up just tons of kinda trashy content that seems like it is tailored to either teenagers or the lowest common den…

While you're at it, some tips for getting hooked on heroin?

Don't reuse needles, be hygienic about it, buy good quality. Enjoy!

Re: TikTok’s greatest asset isn’t its algorithm, it’s your phone

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After realizing that HN can be a rather challenging place (highlighted in the shocking moderation of the Queen E death announcement thread), I actually took a substantial break from HN. And it made me quite a bit happier. I recommend you make your own HN with RSS. It is substantially better that way. You won't be at the mercy of one moderators personal belief system and your 'main page' will hopefully better reflect…

> recommend you make your own HN with RSS How? Please…

You need a reader. There are many. Then you just add the website feeds that you follow to it. You can even add HN, specific subreddits, and YouTube channels!

Re: TikTok’s greatest asset isn’t its algorithm, it’s your phone

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After realizing that HN can be a rather challenging place (highlighted in the shocking moderation of the Queen E death announcement thread), I actually took a substantial break from HN. And it made me quite a bit happier. I recommend you make your own HN with RSS. It is substantially better that way. You won't be at the mercy of one moderators personal belief system and your 'main page' will hopefully better reflect…

Dang’s explanation of the moderation of that thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32773299

I appear to have been rate limited for my comment. Looks like maybe not much has changed since that day.
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