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Re: Don't Outsource

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Outsourcing sucks for MULTIPLE reasons. I wrote an article about a year ago about another side of outsourcing that will hurt your business regardless of where you outsource it to: brand equity -- http://d.pr/B4dJ

Sorry to hear this one though… Having worked with multiple people from India and other such countries and having good friends there, one thing I can tell you: it's a cultural paradigm. While there are many good, honest, hard-working people there, the ones that get bigger and more visibility are usually the scammers. It's a sad reality and I'm sorry for those working hard for these types of guys, getting underpaid while their bosses are ripping everyone off.

Re: Don't Outsource

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post #22

This article raises red flags on the author's credibility. This looks less like a truthful account of a story, and more like a frustrated small company who had a partnership go bad, and are trying to defame their partner. A whole web site, with linkbait headlines, set up to tell one story? Their about page doesn't even say they are trying to start a discussion... it just rehashes the story. With a few other pages to…

Ya, thousands of dollars (and years of their time) wasted dealing with a scammer seem like "juvenile vengeance" for me too…

Re: Don't Outsource

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they did so, they would be breaking U.S. law—and it’s one that is being fairly well enforced (the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, I believe).

Bribing the foreign officials would definitely violate the foreign corrupt practices act. Paying the developer 100k to sever the relationship would not have been a bribe. They may have been outraged by that, but depending on the nature of the relationship that may have been a reasonable fee. It also sounds like it would have been a lot cheaper in the long run.

And what's stopping them from asking for another 100k further down the road again? Paying extortion money is ALWAYS a raw deal. Your argument is illogical.

Re: Don't Outsource

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post #16

This article seems more like simply "don't be a fucking idiot". And judging china, India, etc. is unfair. I once worked with a guy in Toronto, Canada, maybe 4 hours away from my home in New York. He ended up stealing $3,000 from me and there was nothing I could do. So "don't outsource" isn't necessarily a good message in my opinion. A better one would be "try to avoid working with random people you've never met or he…

How often do you have the privilege of actually knowing (and knowing well enough) who you're working with? I think the biggest lesson for me is don't do business with companies based in a lawless country.

Re: Don't Outsource

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I represent TransPacific Software ; Just today we had a look at this thread . First and the foremost this has nothing to do with Outsourcing, Indian Programmer ,US programmers…. It is simply an attempt by The Natural Sapphire Company and its owners to smuggle out our copy righted material through 2 of our employees. When cornered by law enforcement agencies including (Cyber Police Mumbai , Mumbai Police, FBI-Cyber department ) Arnstein and his drug edict smear campaign guy Evan Guttman playing to the Gallery and crying all over the net (Google for Evan Guttman + sidekick and you will instantly know what this guy is into) The real story of the case is completely different. Michael Arnstein and his so called CIO are trying to give it a totally different colour through disinformation sites like dontoutsource Here are the real facts We have been working with Michael Arnstein and his company The Natural Sapphire Company, New York As per the service agreement we are required to make a customized software for them build over our core ERP engine, provide our services in stallation of the software, support it 24x7 . We continued this arrangement since 2006 to Dec. 2010 In December 2010 our system Analyst who is responsible for overall office IT security detected some e-mails send by two of our employees in an unauthorised way and through their person e-mail accounts. On further probing the matter we realised that The Natural sapphire Company and its owner Michael Arnstein in a 3 months long hatched conspiracy has stolen and smuggled out our 8 years of copy-righted work consisting of 1 million lines of code developed in last 5-6 years. Details of The case The code theft was committed through two of our employees namely Dhananjay More and Bhaskar vadlamudi who were highly paid and were with our company for more than 3 years. As the act was blatantly criminal in nature we filed complaints against them and Michael Arnstein owner of The Natural Sapphire Company with Bandra Kurla Police station Bandra East Mumbai and cyber Police station Bandra East as well as order under section 156 IPC was obtained from Bandra Metropolitan Court for Police to investigate the matter. On conducting Preliminary Enquiries police registered cases against all the three accused under IPC and Information Technology Act The matter was Jointly investigated by Bandra Kurla Police and Cyber. The hard-drive of one accuse Dhananjay More confiscated ; further police recovered considerable e-mail/chat communication amongst two accuses, CIO of The Natural sapphire Company Evan Guttman and Michael Arnstein. The e-mails had considerable communication wherein Michael Arnstein has coerced two of our accused employees to acquire false identities namely Dan for Dhananjay and Bob for Bhaskar ; and planned on how to smuggle out the data .( Both these employees were also promised immigration to US and accommodation in New York . Further police obtained details of the banks accounts(State Bank Of India and HDFC bank) of both the accuses wherein large amount of Forex was sent . Phone records of Dhananjay More and Bhaskar Vadlamudi were obtained wherein regular phone communication between Michael Arnstein was traced Over and above Dhananjay More and Bhaskar Vadlamudi were provided funds to obtained cell phones, an internet connection and even usd1500 each as legal money in case of any legal issues show up One of the accused Dhananjay More obtained conditional Anticipatory bail from session court on 29th Novemeber 2011 the other accuse Bhaskar Vadlamudi is absconding and believed to be hiding somewhere in Hyderabad India Court order is available for download on http://transpacific.in/criminalcase.html As the process was on Michael Arnstein resorted to all sort of criminal tactics to pressurize us to withdraw he criminal case Michael Arnstein further hired Evan Guttman a known “smear campaign specialist” a drug edict and a pornography dealer (operates an escort website on-line www.evanwasheremodels.com)

Further to it Michael Arnstein has established a web site www.dontoutsource.com which has tones of allegations against my company in particular and Indians in General. The web site contains numerous racial abuses against Indians. Further to it Mr. Arnstein has posted numerous posts on various forums calling me a “terrorist” . This has disturbed me beyond words. Again this was brought to the notice of FBI NY IC3.GOV (wide our complaints Id: I1104190951275432 and complaint Id: I1101221230305631) We received an e-mail from FBI that they cannot act due to jurisdictional issue e-mail copy of the letter attached Arnstein and his CIO off late has resorted to allegations that whatever is written and expressed against the Natural Sapphire Company is posted by us. There are numerous Natural Sapphire Company consumers who have posted negative review on the merchandise which they purchased. Guttaman is posting on all such forums that we are responsible to post such complaints. They are attributing every bad remark , every complaint posted against them on us. In few cases the real genuine buyers who have posted these complaints have responded back expressing anger over this and reaffairmed that they have indeed posted these complaints and not us. As the status stands now investigating agencies are investigating the matter in India. We have approached Director General of Foreign Trade to prevail upon FBI NY to get Michael Arnstein behind bars. Communication from FBI is positive. Any questions feel free to contact us on connect@transpacific.in Again I would like to assert that this is a case of criminal offence and has nothing to do with outsourcing or alike.

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