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Crows are capable of recursion, scientists claim

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Re: Crows are capable of recursion, scientists claim

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So, crows, cetaceans, octopuses, and elephants… let’s just be thankful that all of the other smart animals can’t manipulate their environments at scale.

Reminds me of this speculative piece: https://twitter.com/CWingUexkull/status/1554639440873652227?... tldr is ancient elephants manipulating the environmemt at scale and enslaving ancient humans. Short worthwhile read with fun details to justify the narrative.

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Re: Crows are capable of recursion, scientists claim

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> Can you earn their trust, as in, become pals with them? It's a very human question. All living things are friends (except sometimes at mealtime) because we are all part of one singular organism. The separateness and individuality of multicellular organisms is a perceptual illusion. (This sound metaphysical, and perhaps it is, but it's very literal: all cells use the same chemical language, the same bio-molecular ma…

> "Com-pan-ions" are literally those who eat bread together: "com" is community, etc. and "pan" is bread. Similarly, while plenty of people pan (pun intended, on multiple levels) American multiculturalism for being seemingly limited to food, it remains evident that food is a sort of universal language - a gateway to shared understanding even among those who share nothing else in common. Cuisine is a window into cultu…

Dude! I think you just gave me a whole vein of sci-fi gold!

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Also, I clicked through your profile to your website and you mention you're a sysadmin, do you have any experience with OpenBSD?.

Re: Crows are capable of recursion, scientists claim

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> "Com-pan-ions" are literally those who eat bread together: "com" is community, etc. and "pan" is bread. Similarly, while plenty of people pan (pun intended, on multiple levels) American multiculturalism for being seemingly limited to food, it remains evident that food is a sort of universal language - a gateway to shared understanding even among those who share nothing else in common. Cuisine is a window into cultu…

Dude! I think you just gave me a whole vein of sci-fi gold! - - - - Also, I clicked through your profile to your website and you mention you're a sysadmin, do you have any experience with OpenBSD?.

> do you have any experience with OpenBSD?.

I sure do! It runs my web and mail servers, and on my main laptop.

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Dude! I think you just gave me a whole vein of sci-fi gold! - - - - Also, I clicked through your profile to your website and you mention you're a sysadmin, do you have any experience with OpenBSD?.

> do you have any experience with OpenBSD?. I sure do! It runs my web and mail servers, and on my main laptop.

Excellent! I will send you an email soon. :)

(I'm starting a corporation, a little one, and I'm going to need some computers.)

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> do you have any experience with OpenBSD?. I sure do! It runs my web and mail servers, and on my main laptop.

Excellent! I will send you an email soon. :) (I'm starting a corporation, a little one, and I'm going to need some computers.)

Looking forward to it :)

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Excellent! I will send you an email soon. :) (I'm starting a corporation, a little one, and I'm going to need some computers.)

Looking forward to it :)

Email sent. I've only had one cup of coffee so far, hopefully it's coherent.

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The idea is that the ability to create technology creates an evolutionary gradient whereby increased intelligence yields better tools yields increased survivability

> increased intelligence Is there a source for that? Because I think you mean knowledge there and not intelligence. I'm not aware of anything that says modern humans are any more intelligent than the oldest archaic humans (homo sapiens). Modern humans just have more accumulated technology and knowledge, something very distinct from intelligence.

Humans started using tools over 2.5 million years ago, and that’s also when brain size stared to steadily increase.
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