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Re: Ask HN: What’s the unspoken situation with substance abuse by tech workers?

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Personally I haven't seen it, but if people want to do drugs to enhance their performance, why not? Paul Erdos did it [0] - it's not just tech workers. Coffee, which probably the majority of people in the U.S. are addicted to, is a stimulant that we all "abuse" If drug use isn't causing problems for you, I think you should have every right to do it (if you can work around the legality aspect) [0] https://en.wikipedia…

Access to amphetamine is a civil rights issue.

Also, normies should be able to partake if they just thinks it boosts their performance.

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#52

In a multi-decade career I only actually observed drug use (Marihuna) once (difficult situation in the company and the fellow just didn't care anymore); not counting alcohol during festivities (neither counting coffee or nicotine). I suspected it multiple times though. The boss with the wide-eye super-intense stare and unnatural, not to say, crazy, enthusiasm -- was that cocaine? The co-worker first giddy, later unbe…

It was probably happening. At least weed and alcohol.

Re: Ask HN: What’s the unspoken situation with substance abuse by tech workers?

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I strongly believe your fear is unfounded, the following perspective is from someone with an ADHD diagnosis who takes Adderall daily and has for the last 10+ years. In real life, I don't think I would be comfortable sharing that information to someone with your fear. People with your fear tend to have a very specific shared misunderstanding of how stimulant medications work and whether they are necessary.

The only time I have heard of "rampant" abuse of stimulants for work, it's been in online forums. To me, these stories sound as real as the ones about micro dosing LSD. I know people that have abused stimulants as college students to pull all-nighters in the week before finals. I haven't heard of anyone abusing stimulants after graduating, I imagine most people realize no job is worth abusing medications and taxing their body in that way.

I absolutely hate how I am made to feel guilty for needing stimulant medication, it feels like a version of imposter syndrome where I constantly question my own diagnosis. There genuinely are no good representation of the struggles of ADHD or the benefits of stimulant medication in media. The stigma that Adderall is "meth for kids" shows a severe lack in empathy or understanding of what ADHD is and how medication/chemical groups work.

The people I know, even diagnosed, in NYC finance and FAANG tier companies told me they don't want to use anything stronger than coffee for crunch time. With every stimulants redose used to push away tiredness, the side effects like blunted emotions become exponentially worse. Some of my diagnosed friends choose to avoid stimulants completely because of emotional blunting and other side effects that happens to them at therapeutic doses. Sleep deprivation makes all stimulant medication a lot less effective. No drug can help you recover the way sleep does. There have been morning where I fell asleep after taking my daily dose of Adderall.

People are more comfortable now sharing their diagnosis and if they are medicated. The stigma around adult ADHD is starting to improve but isn't great. Many experts in the field used to think that people outgrew ADHD as they grew up but studies have shown that's completely untrue.[1] There is still a very strong stigma regarding ADHD and being medicated. ADHD isn't visible and in the last year there have been people that have told me I don't look like I need to be medicated or I am "smart enough" unmedicated. To those people, me taking my prescribed dose is the same as me abusing stimulants. There have always fears and stigma around people requiring medication for mental health conditions. Unless you know examples personally, I would take anecdotes with a huge grain of salt.

Stimulants make things easier to do but they don't give you momentum or energy to start something new, that's still something you have to do for yourself. Adderall feels close to a strong coffee taken together with ephedrine or Sudafed, not meth.[2] In movies and TV, a character starting stimulants is used as a plot device to help them overcome and obstacle or as a source of comedy, sometimes a deux ex machina.

There's a shared theory among me and my friends. The field of CS is naturally more attractive to people with ADHD. Software engineering work is structured in a way that would make it easier to manage symptoms for someone with ADHD. Things like hyperfocus, a symptom of ADHD, can even make things easier to learn. I don't know if the field itself is generally more accepting of individual differences. I am sure there's selection bias happening, but it seems reasonable to me. It would explain why there's a larger subset of software engineers have an ADHD diagnosis compared to some other professions.

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/13/well/family/is-it-possibl...

[2] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9738532/

Re: Ask HN: What’s the unspoken situation with substance abuse by tech workers?

#54
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m fully “out of the closet” about my ADHD and proscribed amphetamine medication. It’s quite refreshing and I’ve personally only received responses that ranged from neutral to positive. I’ve also noticed that it’s helped other’s around me that are still keeping their diagnosis a secret to see me being comfortable talking about it. The reason I talk about it is exactly as you say, I think it’s really important to try…

You mean prescribed. To proscribe means to forbid.

aghhh I always actively think I'm writing the correct version, and inevitably end up doing the opposite.

Re: Ask HN: What’s the unspoken situation with substance abuse by tech workers?

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean prescribed. To proscribe means to forbid.

aghhh I always actively think I'm writing the correct version, and inevitably end up doing the opposite.

Don't worry about it, I cheat by having a latin-derived language as my first one. I often confuse push and pull, because push sounds exactly like pulling in my first language.

Re: Ask HN: What’s the unspoken situation with substance abuse by tech workers?

#57

I don’t suspect any of my colleagues take stimulants. I personally do. I find coding to be incredibly boring and the only reason I do it is for money. Stimulants help make it almost interesting.

Same here. How often do you take it? I find I get too into the work and multiple days on end I get frustrated and fuck up my sleep.

Re: Ask HN: What’s the unspoken situation with substance abuse by tech workers?

#58

I have adhd and i take a (very small) dosage of a stimulant at times. It has quite bad side effects for me which is why I take so little. I think the reason why it is an "open secret" is because it is not possible to be open about such handicaps. If i was open to my employer about my adhd I would have to fear losing my job, even though that is illegal. That is rule number one that was ingrained into me, never tell an…

If you have a prescription it’s not really substance abuse.

Not true at all.

Re: Ask HN: What’s the unspoken situation with substance abuse by tech workers?

#59

To be perfectly honest, while concerning from a corruption perspective, these substances might not be doing what you think. Are you worried about any and all on the job use? You might be okay with an occasional drink/smoke/addy. I’ve met some people that work very well under these substances, even on a daily basis. I’m not saying this is ever a good cultural decision. Perhaps your a purist. The stims actually have so…

What's an addy?

Re: Ask HN: What’s the unspoken situation with substance abuse by tech workers?

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I try to quit coffee regularly as I get bad acid reflux and stomach problems from it but I always return after even a few months of successfully quitting as I simply can't be nearly as productive or deal with crunch time as well without it or wit matcha. Perhaps I need to try caffeine powder. In my case though it feels like not using caffeine is not an option for having a tech career. Feeling a bit of frantic energy…

Strong green tea made from high quality loose leaves gives me just as much of a kick as coffee.
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