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After price update, Amazon Prime members call Amazon Music “unusable”

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Re: After price update, Amazon Prime members call Amazon Music “unusable”

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Did Amazon actually drop this? I haven’t used prime in a very long time but this was pretty much the only reason I bothered.

All shipping for me is 2 day. They probably just don't explicitly promise it for all regions.

Yeah, it seems to be very regional. Here is my personal experience over the past year.

In downtown Seattle/SLU area (aka "Amazon rainforest", due to that whole area having a very heavy concentration of Amazon offices), most packages take around 2 days. In Atlanta area (midtown and closeby sorta-suburban areas like Little Five and Edgewood), most packages take between same-day to 1-2 days (usually a bit less time than in Seattle). In NYC (Manhattan specifically), it takes 3-4 days (am yet to find a single item on amazon that has a delivery estimate less than that for this area).

I bet it has something to do with distribution centers/warehouses/last-mile delivery infrastructure. But that difference in delivery times between those three regions seems to be pretty consistent, from what I've observed so far in 2022.

Re: After price update, Amazon Prime members call Amazon Music “unusable”

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Installing YouTube vanced (and yt music vanced) on my phone and using YouTube music in the browser with ublock origin has been free and fantastic user experience (browsers now support dbus commands, so media keys work without needing to install the app on desktop). Highly recommend.

Re: After price update, Amazon Prime members call Amazon Music “unusable”

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Having worked at Amazon for well over a decade, here’s more or less what happened:

1. Product, in alignment with directors and VPs, have an overarching 3-5 year vision document

2. The document talks about “customer obsession” and a 2025 vision for “delighting customers”

3. Document has mostly fluff ideas, written by some MBA grad, on an H1B visa, who is feeling pressure to deliver a grand vision. Both to get promoted (eventually) and mainly to keep their job. If they get fired, they have 30 days to find a new company that will employ them with visa sponsorship. Or they have to move back to Hyderabad or whichever Indian city.

4. Document goes through several rounds of review, where this poor PM gets ripped a new one, many many times. In 1:1 with their manager, they are coached on having a thick skin and being able to handle verbal abuse and being made to feel small. Keep in mind, this person doesn’t really use Amazon Music themself. They just want to turn in their work, get paid, and go home.

5. Eventually, the product team aligns on increasing subscriptions X% YoY and increasing revenue Y%, by end of 2023 or mid 2024. Since we have some agreement already about to go in effect which will expand the music catalog, let’s leverage that. We’ll restrict the non-paid streaming option, and sell it as offering our premium customers (since that’s the metric we care about) more variety. Indeed we are “delighting customers” and “streamlining the music listening and discovery journey” 6. This is reviewed and signed off by layers of directors and VPs. Keep in mind none of these people use Amazon Music. If anything, some of them might even have disdain for music.

7. The changes roll out. There’s an A/B test, designed in a way to not completely obscure reality but still give us what we want. End customers unhappy.

8. Product team works with technical team to look at specific A/B test results. Results show subscriptions are actually up. The measured increase is statistically significant. Music listening time is overall flat or increased slightly as well, but definitely not a regression.

9. Product team celebrates. Product team knows the product is worse off, customers are unhappy, etc. but the “metrics” we have show a win.

10. PM hangs out for several years. Realizes they can’t get promoted to a principal and leaves for another company, or they get annoyed with the whole visa back and forth process. They move to Canada and find some other Amazon team there, or they just go back to India once the initial stocks vest.

11. Cue the next round of MBA talent, looping through step 1.

Re: After price update, Amazon Prime members call Amazon Music “unusable”

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Having worked at Amazon for well over a decade, here’s more or less what happened: 1. Product, in alignment with directors and VPs, have an overarching 3-5 year vision document 2. The document talks about “customer obsession” and a 2025 vision for “delighting customers” 3. Document has mostly fluff ideas, written by some MBA grad, on an H1B visa, who is feeling pressure to deliver a grand vision. Both to get promoted…

Does someone cancelling prime send a message or does that blame fall to a different team?

Re: After price update, Amazon Prime members call Amazon Music “unusable”

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Having worked at Amazon for well over a decade, here’s more or less what happened: 1. Product, in alignment with directors and VPs, have an overarching 3-5 year vision document 2. The document talks about “customer obsession” and a 2025 vision for “delighting customers” 3. Document has mostly fluff ideas, written by some MBA grad, on an H1B visa, who is feeling pressure to deliver a grand vision. Both to get promoted…

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Re: After price update, Amazon Prime members call Amazon Music “unusable”

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Having worked at Amazon for well over a decade, here’s more or less what happened: 1. Product, in alignment with directors and VPs, have an overarching 3-5 year vision document 2. The document talks about “customer obsession” and a 2025 vision for “delighting customers” 3. Document has mostly fluff ideas, written by some MBA grad, on an H1B visa, who is feeling pressure to deliver a grand vision. Both to get promoted…

How is being on h1 relevant here? Visa or no visa people will act according to incentives designed by company.

P.S I am on H1 visa. For sure I am offended.

Re: After price update, Amazon Prime members call Amazon Music “unusable”

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Installing YouTube vanced (and yt music vanced) on my phone and using YouTube music in the browser with ublock origin has been free and fantastic user experience (browsers now support dbus commands, so media keys work without needing to install the app on desktop). Highly recommend.

yes. Plus the selection is much broader
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