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Re: Binance to acquire FTX

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I am extremely bullish on crypto, and have been for the last decade. That said: the sooner we can get rid of these weird centralized exchanges and weird messiah figures the better. The next thing I thing will explode is Cardano, which appears to function approximately like a cult, with no actual product (as far as I can tell). Ethereum, LINK, and Bitcoin. Everything else is a distraction.

Crypto would be perfect. If only humans were robots.

Re: Binance to acquire FTX

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You know what this makes me kind of wonder... back earlier in the year SBF made a big show of coming in and investing in a bunch of the companies that were collapsing due to the LUNA/3AC/Celsius problems. He stepped in and to some extent halted the unwinding of some of these issues. It turns out now that it's likely FTX is underwater, and Binance is basically doing the same thing - coming in, picking them up cheap an…

Binance has serious legal issues (governmental investigations) and isn't based out of any jurisdiction. A Binance failure would have consequences that are very hard to predict

I'm not sure that binance has a reason to exist in the current world where defi is a thing.

Things like Coinbase etc are your place to go if you want a fiat to crypto on-ramp or off-ramp or if you want a reasonably safe place to park crypto if you don't want to own it yourself.

There are innumerable decentralized exchanges where a person can be absolutely (for some definition of the word) sure that the exchange won't be shutting down and taking your money before you're done doing your transaction. There are L2 DEX even that are approximately the same cost and same level of inconvenience as something like Binance.

Why does it matter if Binance goes away? I'm not sure if it does!

Re: Binance to acquire FTX

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Its funny how a few days back some people on HN were saying FTX is unlikely to be illiquid because SBF is a genius from JaneStreet.

He sacrificed FTX but kept his real baby Alameda.

Alameda won’t be worth nearly as much without FTX - it was so successful because FTX fed it as much market data as it wanted and gave it priority market making etc. Also seemed to be sending it its own printed FTT tokens to secure loans for trading which was the cause of the insolvency rumors.

Neither of those things benefit the owner of FTX unless they are also the owner of Alameda

Re: Binance to acquire FTX

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> SBF said "We don't invest client assets (even in treasuries)" We know that was false when it was said, given the Alameda balance sheet. (FTX invested in Alameda which made risky loans to crypto folks and bought FTT, which FTX minted [1].) [1] https://www.coindesk.com/business/2022/11/02/divisions-in-sa...

I know the SEC is struggling to stay on top of the crypto market, but it certainly seems like SBF should be in an absolutely huge amount of legal jeopardy right now. And if he isn't, then the crypto market is beyond saving and deserves to die.

> SEC...it certainly seems like SBF should be in an absolutely huge amount of legal jeopardy right now

FTX U.S. is fine. To the degree Americans are hurt, it's investors in the international entity. If anyone deserves regulatory scrutiny, it's the institutional investors betting fiduciary assets on crypto.

Re: Binance to acquire FTX

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SBF said "We don't invest client assets (even in treasuries)". [0] He then says the purpose of the transaction with Binance is to "clear out the liquidity crunches". [1] How could there be a liquidity crunch if assets are not invested? You can't do a bank run on an entity that doesn't function as a bank and doesn't invest clients assets... Something is shifty. [0] https://twitter.com/sbf_ftx/status/158959828579870720…

12:38 PM · Nov 7, 2022 2) FTX has enough to cover all client holdings. [0] 4:03 PM · Nov 8, 2022 2) Our teams are working on clearing out the withdrawal backlog as is. This will clear out liquidity crunches; all assets will be covered 1:1. This is one of the main reasons we’ve asked Binance to come in. [1] has enough to cover all client holdings ---> not enough to cover all client holding in 24 hours. Either they los…

Remember that blockchain transactions are slow and FTX has over 1m users. Even in the most positive of scenarios, I would not be surprised if it took days to clear the backlog of withdrawal requests.
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