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Re: TextMate 2 (Public) Alpha

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Post by veidr »

The new alpha is still incapable of editing Japanese text.　Although at least this time it is probably a bug that is fixable, not a fundamental design flaw that isn't.

Pressing Return, which is how you select the kanji characters that correspond to the phonetic words that you typed, inserts the kanji as it should, but then unhelpfully replaces the Japanese characters with a newline. :-P

I don't personally care that much, though; TextMate 1 was actually pretty bad, IMO. It was slow and buggy, with nothing much special about it except its bundle system for extensibility. That was indeed a killer feature, but TextMate bundles can now be used by many other, much better, editors like Sublime Text 2.

Re: TextMate 2 (Public) Alpha

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Post by kevinpet »

kennystone wrote: post #30
jarin wrote: post #7

A lot of people I know switched from TextMate to vim because of the lengthy delay. After using vim for a couple of years now, it would be very hard to go back to TextMate.

Yeah, but far more people will never learn vim because of the learning curve.

Vi is incredibly easy to learn, but it takes some learning before you can accomplish anything. You can sit down with Bill Joy's original paper, read it, try stuff out, and you will be using Vi at 50% of the competence of a master with years of practice.

Emacs on the other hand seems to be simpler to get started in, but it never gets simple like Vi does. After you get over the first hump, you just see the Himalayas rising behind it.

I use Emacs right now, but I'm interested in moving to something that plays nicer with Mac OS and the god-awful lack of respect for Unix standards in the Rails community (like failure to exclude ~ files from the asset pipeline).

Re: TextMate 2 (Public) Alpha

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Post by philc »

superchink wrote: post #23
peregrine wrote: post #4

In the mean time Sublime Text 2 has all of the Alpha features as well as cross platform support and support for TextMate bundles. You should really give it a shot if you haven't.

The vintage (vim-like) mode is what pulled me into sublime text as my go-to editor. It's just so much faster. I opened the textmate alpha and immediately had a bunch of j characters appear before I realized i don't think I can go back. It's either ST or vim for now…

I wrote this for TextMate. Not nearly as good as built-in support, but I program 10 hours a day with it and it's saved me millions of keystrokes. https://github.com/philc/textmatevim

Re: TextMate 2 (Public) Alpha

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Post by markokocic »

peregrine wrote: post #4

In the mean time Sublime Text 2 has all of the Alpha features as well as cross platform support and support for TextMate bundles. You should really give it a shot if you haven't.

Just downloaded Sublime 2 and it looks very nice at a glance. It will probably replace TextPad as my second editor (still Emacs as primary one).

The only missing thing would be Eclipse backed autocomplete and navigation. The first editor that get it seamless will be the one I'll use the most.

I know there is eclim project, but it feels slow and cumbersome to use.

Re: TextMate 2 (Public) Alpha

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Post by BonoboBoner »

antimatter wrote: post #144
BonoboBoner wrote: post #118

Crashes on startup on my Leopard 10.5.8 machine, just me or anyone else?

Same here. Crash on launch. I'm on Lion 10.7.2 though. Edit: Problem was that I had Textmate 1 running. Closing it solved the issue.

Thanks, that fixed it for me as well.

Re: TextMate 2 (Public) Alpha

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Post by obtu »

pilif wrote: post #90
peregrine wrote: post #4

In the mean time Sublime Text 2 has all of the Alpha features as well as cross platform support and support for TextMate bundles. You should really give it a shot if you haven't.

There is one feature in TextMate that's not in Sublime which I really love to the point, where it's an absolute requirement for me: when I edit a file in TextMate and my account lacks permission for saving the file, TM would allow me to sudo right from the GUI in order to still save. This is much better than seeing that I can't save, copy the whole file to the clipboard, reopen it with 'sudo vim' and then pasting it…

Try sudoedit (aka sudo -e): makes a copy of the file you can edit, and replaces the file using superuser privileges when you $EDITOR exits.

Re: TextMate 2 (Public) Alpha

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Post by applicative »

wbond wrote: post #19
durandal1 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sublime text is very clunky and has that very weird "UI app written in a scripting language feel" to it. I know that's not a value which is easy to quantify, but I think it's down to a slightly weird architecture and latency because of its heavy dependency on python.

This is a common misconception about ST2. The editor is actually written in C++, but exposes a Python API for plugins.

The dependence on Python for configuration is for me a decisive objection. My copy of Textmate has little scripts buried all over it in several languages but with Sublime Text I am completely frozen out, or so it seems.

Re: TextMate 2 (Public) Alpha

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Post by trebor »

Derbasti wrote: post #102
mrweasel wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would have to agree. I tried Sublime Text for two weeks, but I continued to dislike it. It's not a bad editor or anything, it's just not for me. Personally I'm getting a bit tired of reading about how people think that TextMate is done and how we should move on. TextMate 1.5 is still my text editor of choice, it simply fit how I work. Honestly I would be happy if TextMate 1.5 is just maintained as is. There's a lot…

Nah, Textmate 1.5 as it is is perfectly fine. I mean, who really needs chunked undo anyway? And opening files larger than a few hundred k? Really, just split them. They"re a bad idea anyways. Or something like incremental regex search. Real men can read the code faster than any search indexer, so who needs that? Seriously though, I agree that some incremental fixes to Textmate 1.5 might have been a saner option than…

Being a user of TextMate 1.5, I don't know what issues you're referring to with "files larger than a few hundred k?" I've opened multi-megabyte XML files and dealt with them just fine. I've done regex search and replace commands, fairly complex ones, on SQL backups that are multi-megabyte without issue.

I repeat, what's the complaint?

TextMate2 is a bit rough, yes, but I don't expect better from a prerelease. As it is, it's more than enough to offer me hope that it'll be finished and that it'll be a good product.

Re: TextMate 2 (Public) Alpha

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Post by dextorious »

durandal1 wrote: post #128
dextorious wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Faster to 1) leave the keyboard, 2) navigate with the mouse to the project pane, 3) select file, 4) back to the keyboard etc than to press 2-3 keys in Vim to move between NerdTree and your content and open whatever? I don't think so. In the very least, you could just use NerdTree with the mouse, exactly like TM, and it would be the exact same speed.

Yes, there's been several UI research papers which show that keyboard heavy users underestimate the time their keyboard strokes take compare to quickly switching to mouse because of the higher cognitive load. I know, [citation needed], but I'm sure you'll find them if you google.

I've read those. They were not about "keyboard heavy users" of our ilk --mostly about power desktop users.

(Not to mention the keyboard benefits of less RSI from mouse use).

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