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From an environmental impact perspective alone, the opportunity to free the planet from emissions, lower the demand for vehicles, improve pedestrian safety by staying off the road, and lower commute-induced stressors on our bodies should be enough of a reason to WFH whenever possible. And those are only the first benefits of the practice.
You are conflating automobile transport with working from an office. They are different issues.
I am tired of hearing banalities about remote working
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#32From the article's author: >I am just coming back from a very intense company retirement with activities that helped me reach my limits Yeah, no thanks, I don't want to "reach my limits" by being pressured into childish team building activities with random people from work I've never met IRL. Not my thing. I have my own groups of friends for that. >Hei man, if you would see our slack channels, where hundreds of peopl…
> Would your new remote work colleague "friends" that you met once in a company retreat fly over from their countries and take care of you? You seem to have confused the definition of "true friendship" with "free nursemaid", and are still living in a pre-Internet age where physical proximity is a limiting factor on your friendships. I'm genuinely happy for you and your IRL friendships because everyone needs friends b…
Just think about where the strongest life lasting bonds are usually made by people: school, university, military service, sometimes work, etc., places where you're constantly together sharing a common struggle through which you build life lasting camaraderie and get to know people thoroughly and having each other's backs, along with a dose of willingness to self-sacrifice for a vulnerable friend in need. Just ask people who served about the bonds they made there. If your friends aren't willing to make themselves uncomfortable for you when in need, then they aren't your real friends. We all know "those people" who're great at having a good time and will always party with you, and keep saying you're "bros" but the moment you need some sort of help, they'll ghost you or make up excuses why they can't help. Those are just fun buddies, not friends. Same with your exclusively online gaming buddies, work colleagues, etc. are just that, gaming buddies and work colleagues, not friends. They'll have fun with you while things are good, but won't sacrifice anything IRL for you when things are bad for you like a true friend would. You need to make distinctions between fun buddies, and real friends which tends to be mostly formed IRL and will also be by your side when things are bad for you.
Saying people you know remotely are your friends is like saying the girl on tinder you've been chatting up for weeks is your girlfriend, when you haven't even met IRL.
Sure, in this day and age you can meet very interesting people online, on reddit, etc witch which you share many things in common and you can end up getting to know them well and share secrets and many intimate details of your life, and yet we still have a loneliness epidemic of epic proportions despite this. That's because once people with exclusivity remote friends switch off their laptop/phone and come back to the real world, they realize that despite all their so called friends, at the end of the day when they're vulnerable and in need, they're still 100% alone.
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#33I like working at home, but I hate living at work.
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#34Is there an official party line that wfh is in every way for every person everywhere always better, and it’s best not to kick that hornet’s nest? Asking for a friend.
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are conflating automobile transport with working from an office. They are different issues.
Not really different, because a huge part of automobile transport (when it comes to personal cars) is about going to and from the office, not running around for personal enjoyment.
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> Would your new remote work colleague "friends" that you met once in a company retreat fly over from their countries and take care of you? You seem to have confused the definition of "true friendship" with "free nursemaid", and are still living in a pre-Internet age where physical proximity is a limiting factor on your friendships. I'm genuinely happy for you and your IRL friendships because everyone needs friends b…
You have a very one sided view of what true friendship is and how they are built. It's difficult to build stable and lasting friendships fully remotely without constant IRL interactions where you get to experience all sides of the person and the relationship, including the darker sides, which you might not like. Constant IRL interactions in both fun and in challenging situations help you see all sides of a person, th…
You introduced a few new terms, "true friends(hip)", "fun buddies", "weirdo", "work colleagues", "gaming buddies", "tinder girlfriend", "real friends", "interesting people online, on reddit, etc witch[sic] which you share many things in common and you can end up getting to know them well and share secrets and many intimate details of your life".
What we're disagreeing about is that you're using the word friends only to refer to "true friends", and everyone outside of the group is decidedly not a friend, while I'm using the word friend to refer to basically anyone in my life that I've connected with that bears me no ill will, while still recognizing that the different categories defined exist and are distinct, just as a subset of the superset called friends.
We're not really going to reconcile that difference in definition, but I do want to say that I think we agree on the important point - everybody should have true friends that will back you when you're at your most vulnerable and when you're in need.
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#37Those who advocate for on site work are like people of the old age that advocated for in store shopping. They thought no one would ever shop online because they’d need to touch and feel the products before buying. Same kind of people who thought blockbuster is better than netflix because people want the experience. The reality tho is the world is changing and so is how we work in it.