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Monumental (if correct) advance in number theory posted to ArXiv by Yitang Zhang

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Re: Monumental (if correct) advance in number theory posted to ArXiv by Yitang Zhang

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I can't resist saying one last thing about Siegel zeros: number theorists REALLY would like for this result to be correct because the possibility of Siegel zeros is unbelievably annoying. I mean mathematicians are supposed to enjoy challenges / difficulties, but Siegel zeros are just so recurrently irritating. The possibility of Siegel zeros means that in so many theorems you want to write down, you have to write caveats like "unless a Siegel zero exists," or split into two cases based on if Siegel zeros exist or don't exist, etc.

But here is the worst (or "most mysterious," depending on your mood..) thing about Siegel zeros. Our best result about Siegel zeros (excluding for present discussion Zhang's work), namely Siegel's theorem, is ineffective. That is, it says "there exists some constant C > 0 such that..." but it can tell you nothing about that constant beyond that it is positive and finite (we say that the constant is "not effectively computable from the proof").*

So then, if you try to use Siegel's theorem to prove things about primes, this ineffectivity trickles down (think "fruit of the poisoned tree"). For example, standard texts on analytic number theory include a proof of the following theorem: any sufficiently large odd integer is the sum of three primes. However, the proof in most standard texts fundamentally cannot tell you what the threshold for "sufficiently large" is, because the proof uses Siegel's theorem! In this particular case, it turns out that one can avoid Siegel's theorem, and in fact the statement "Any odd integer larger than five is the sum of three primes" is now known https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldbach%27s_weak_conjecture. But it is certainly not always possible to avoid Siegel's theorem, and Zhang's result would make so many theorems which right now involve ineffectively computable constants effective.

*Why is the constant not effectively computable? Because the proof proceeds basically like this. First: assume the Generalized Riemann Hypothesis. Then the result is trivial, Siegel zeros are exceptions to GRH and don't occur if GRH is true. Next, assume GRH is false. Take a "minimal" counterexample to GRH, and use it to "repel" or "exclude" other possible counterexamples.

Re: Monumental (if correct) advance in number theory posted to ArXiv by Yitang Zhang

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post #11

I am pretty confident that I will never in my lifetime fully understand stuff like this (not the symbols themselves, but the overall meaning of each term and why it is like that): https://i.snipboard.io/by4tsH.jpg

Maybe because you haven't tried to understand it?

Can't be harder than learning the meaning behind these characters: https://www.pandatree.com/book/DiaryofWorm.jpg

Re: Monumental (if correct) advance in number theory posted to ArXiv by Yitang Zhang

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post #17

Can someone explain the decimal constants that are used throughout the proof? For example, on page 52. It's rare to see these kinds of numbers used in mathematical proofs, but I'm sure they were chosen for good reasons.

Unfortunately, nobody can explain anything like this right now. The paper was posted today, is 111 pages long, and it will likely take even professional mathematicians around a year to understand / check it completely.

Re: Monumental (if correct) advance in number theory posted to ArXiv by Yitang Zhang

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post #11

I am pretty confident that I will never in my lifetime fully understand stuff like this (not the symbols themselves, but the overall meaning of each term and why it is like that): https://i.snipboard.io/by4tsH.jpg

For the meaning, you just have to retrace back to where the things were defined, just like in programming. I am a mathematician, and I do not understand anything in the linked screenshot either (other than big O notation, which many people here should actually know!). FWIW, the author’s preference for Greek letters is rather excessive for my personal taste.

Re: Monumental (if correct) advance in number theory posted to ArXiv by Yitang Zhang

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post #25
post #11

I am pretty confident that I will never in my lifetime fully understand stuff like this (not the symbols themselves, but the overall meaning of each term and why it is like that): https://i.snipboard.io/by4tsH.jpg

For the meaning, you just have to retrace back to where the things were defined, just like in programming. I am a mathematician, and I do not understand anything in the linked screenshot either (other than big O notation, which many people here should actually know!). FWIW, the author’s preference for Greek letters is rather excessive for my personal taste.

The Greek characters in the screenshot are standard for the subject. The letters "chi" and "psi" (in that order) are the preferred letters for denoting Dirichlet characters, and zeros of L-functions are always denoted by "rho."

Re: Monumental (if correct) advance in number theory posted to ArXiv by Yitang Zhang

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I'm not a mathematician, but the story of Yitang Zhang desperately makes me want this paper to be correct. > Prior to getting back to academia, he worked for several years as an accountant and a delivery worker for a New York City restaurant. He also worked in a motel in Kentucky and in a Subway sandwich shop. A profile published in the Quanta Magazine reports that Zhang used to live in his car during the initial job…

Someone needs to make a movie about his life, or at least a documentary.

Re: Monumental (if correct) advance in number theory posted to ArXiv by Yitang Zhang

#30

Two additional notes: 1. Zhang posted an attempt at solving this problem in 2007 that he later more or less admitted was flawed: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/131221/yitang-zhangs-2007... . But speaking with mathematicians who are intimately familiar with Zhang's previous work, there seems to be good reason to be optimistic nevertheless. First, the idea behind Zhang's proof is similar to the zero-repulsion ideas…

I think Zhang's previous result was good enough to rebuff Hardy's claims. Actually I think Math is more or less a young people's game is because whence someone be super successful and famous it's kinda difficult psychological to retain the previous mental state and push out similar results.

Plenty of counterexamples to the claim

https://mathoverflow.net/questions/25630/major-mathematical-...

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