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Louis C.K. experiment results: over $500,000 in 4 days

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Re: Louis C.K. experiment results: over $500,000 in 4 days

#151

I really hope people don't turn this into a "Louis CK did it, so you should publish without DRM!". I agree with the anti-drm sentiment a lot of people hold, but this experiment only worked because it's "rare". Every time something like this is done people use it as evidence of the viability of the idea (Radiohead's pay what you want comes to mind too) and that really shouldn't be done. The only reason I heard about t…

Also keep in mind it may not have "worked for him". He made $200k less than he would have using the traditional route. Who knows how long it will take to make that additional $200k from this offering (if he ever will) and I'm skeptical about counting "the long tail" because he would have probably had residuals on a traditional DVD as well.

Where does it say he made $200k less? The article says he made $200k profit so far, and that this is less, but it doesn't say how much less. It is also numbers 4 days in. Sales don't stop after 4 days.

As for residuals, maybe, but it looks from the post as if he is comparing his (so far) $200k profit to a lump sum payment for the rights, though he's not exactly being explicit about that.

Re: Louis C.K. experiment results: over $500,000 in 4 days

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That's bunk. It boils down to saying, "sure, it worked for Louis CK and Radiohead, and Cory Doctorow and Humble Bundle. It worked for Trent Reznor, OK Go, and pretty much everyone funded by Kickstarter... But it could never work for you." This stuff doesn't because it's sprinkled with magic experiment dust. It works because the authors are doing good work, they're able to build a fan base, and they're able to make th…

The reason it works for those specific groups is because of their fan base. Do you think that if Britney Spears tomorrow launched a similar "DRM free pay what you want" sale that and the "viral" element (news articles about how edgy it is) didn't exist she would have the success that these people have? She would outsell all her other releases because "whoa DRM free this is incredible!"? I don't think so, her average…

No doubt, if all music and video was released this way, a lot of it would fail.

A lot of music released by major labels fails, too. Movies flop. There are no guarantees.

So, I agree with you that Louis CK's marketing is fantastic. But it's not like only one person can market themselves this way, and there's not just a single audience that will pay for good stuff distributed in a civilized way. I think it's more like a giant overlapping Venn diagram of people.

Kickstarter might be the best place to see how this stuff scales. Everyone on there is doing their own marketing, and a lot of projects are getting funded.

Re: Louis C.K. experiment results: over $500,000 in 4 days

#155

Devil's advocate: In the post, he himself says he would've earned more by doing a show for HBO/Comedy Central/other (also note that he mentions, but doesn't factor in the cost of his own time in putting this all together). Given that a lot of people purchased this only to support "the experiment" (i.e. they might not buy the next time he or someone else does this), does this really demonstrate the success of selling…

It got first link on front page of reddit BECAUSE he was distributing this way.

This won't happen the next times if this method of distribution becomes the norm.

Re: Louis C.K. experiment results: over $500,000 in 4 days

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Disagree. I've never bought a comedy DVD in my life, because frankly, an hour of humor isn't worth $15 + the overhead of receiving a package and storing a physical artifact in perpetuity. But $5, I can have it in seconds, and forget about it until I want it again? Different story entirely. So I bought it. I don't think I did it because it was an experiment - if every comedian released stuff like this, I feel like I'd…

Why can't you rip the physical disk?

The point is he considers receiving and having to rip and/or store the disk as an additional cost on top of the $15. It widens the gap between the $5 download and the $15 disk further because he has more hassle to get the same functionality.

Re: Louis C.K. experiment results: over $500,000 in 4 days

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It works fine here. Why use OpenDNS? They mess with your DNS results. Instead, try 8.8.8.8 or 8.8.4.4: http://code.google.com/speed/public-dns/docs/using.html

Google DNS makes for a suboptimal Netflix CDN load-balancing experience. :(

That shouldn't be. 8.8.8.8 is anycast and so should be nearby.

Re: Louis C.K. experiment results: over $500,000 in 4 days

#159

Is it me or do I find $32,000 for that website a bit too much?

It seems pretty inexpensive to me. Designing a site where people can log in, pay actual currency for a file, and download it a few times is not trivial. We may be able to do stuff like this ourselves over the weekend, but Louie can't, and so he had to pay someone to do it. And when you pay for something like this you're paying for things like the company's reputation, support "forever", and the right to say things like "can you move that 1 pixel to the left"?

Re: Louis C.K. experiment results: over $500,000 in 4 days

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Louis C.K. deserves all credit for showing that you don't need a label, that non-DRM distribution's benefits outweigh its costs, etc. Yet to me the real lesson is about the remarkable PR he's built for this story around being the "purple cow" and his ability to market to his audience (holding a AMA on Reddit even).

> for showing that you don't need a label, you mean: for showing that Louis CK doesn't need a label.

Also, another guy doing this won't get that much attention as it won't be so new.
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