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Microsoft is phoning home the content of PowerPoint slides

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Re: Microsoft is phoning home the content of PowerPoint slides

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This seems blindingly obvious? They use a cloud powered feature, then complain that information is sent to the cloud? According to this help article using designer for the first time will request permissions. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/create-profession...

From the 'article'

>Fire up PowerPoint. Turn off all the cloud options.

Re: Microsoft is phoning home the content of PowerPoint slides

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That is a help page guiding the user on how to use the feature. Of course it’s going to be “hidden” when turning on the feature is the smallest step to using it. If to use the feature you are explicitly asked to turn it on, with an option to view a privacy policy, that is “blatantly obvious”. It isn’t hidden or buried under a dozen other settings when you install PowerPoint, it’s done at time of use. How, exactly, wo…

IT has disabled the feature for us, and quick googling didn't turn up any screen shots, so I can't see the prompt myself, but given how it is described it doesn't seem adequate to me. When software asks permission it needs to say what it is asking permission for. Something like: "This feature will send your slide contents to Microsoft's cloud servers to search for relevant design ideas. See our Privacy Policy for mor…

Okay, I found a screenshot of the request[1], and I don't think it is clearly communicating to the user what they are agreeing to. On the good side, they do clearly describe which information is involved (search terms and document content), but on the bad side it isn't clear about what is being done with that information. In particular, for over 20 years Microsoft had used "Office" to mean a piece of software running on your own computer, so saying that "Office" needs to "collect" information doesn't clearly convey the idea that your documents being sent over the internet.

[1] https://slidehunter.com/how-to-automatically-design-slides-w...

Re: Microsoft is phoning home the content of PowerPoint slides

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This post seems to lack any useful information to come to the conclusion of "phoning home the content of PowerPoint slides". That said, if you use the tool in question, you'll notice that it only suggests layouts and these seem to be fairly generic. They don't seem to take into account the content so much as how the content is laid out.

This could be as "simple" as Microsoft phoning home with the layout of the data (bullets vs title vs paragraph of text) combined with perhaps hash codes of any topical features (things that indicate technology vs food).

I've never been "surprised" by the feature the way I am with Github Copilot where it sometimes feels like it's reading my mind. The Designer is just a simple way to click a button and get back 5+ recommendations on how you can layout the data.

Without some kind of evidence, my explanation is just as valid as the blog. That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Re: Microsoft is phoning home the content of PowerPoint slides

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The next era will be of Offline Apps because of stuff like this

I think i've finally reached that point where the latest trend just doesn't make sense to me. In this day and age of ever increasing connectivity and bandwidth offline first web applications just don't make sense. Take an offline-first app running in your browser and then cover the address bar and buttons with a sheet of paper, now you have an Electron app. Why not just use Electron if a desktop/unconnected webapp is what you want to do? Actually, i suppose if the front-end guys just wanted to get rid of the back-end guys then an offline first trend would be a way to further that along haha.

Re: Microsoft is phoning home the content of PowerPoint slides

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What I want is Little Snitch on steroids built into the OS where every process, including all native ones, including UI apps, are blocked from network connectivity by default, and the user gets an easy monitor of outgoing traffic with TLS/SSL inspection built in (you'd need some OS API to enable that). Kind of like granular oauth permissions, apps should have to declare which outgoing they have, a description/why, an…

Have a look at firejail. Does this, and more.

Re: Microsoft is phoning home the content of PowerPoint slides

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post #227

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If you're putting PHI in a presentation, you probably already have HIPAA problems.

Doctors routinely need to present cases to each other. It often involves pictures of the patient and other identifying information that is essential to describe the case in detail. They need some way to do this.

Any healthcare institution is going to have a Business Associate Agreement[1] with Microsoft. OneDrive is one of the allowed/suggested ways to transmit PHI where I work.

[1] https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-professionals/covered-entities...

Re: Microsoft is phoning home the content of PowerPoint slides

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Yeah, I'm surprised every healthcare related business doesn't either ban PowerPoint or block this "feature" somehow. HIPAA is a hell of a drug.

If you're putting PHI in a presentation, you probably already have HIPAA problems.

Sure, but a Word document seems much more likely

Re: Microsoft is phoning home the content of PowerPoint slides

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I think it's worth clarifying that this is just Chinese users, though that was probably clear to most. The Chinese and rest-of-the-world iClouds are completely separate.

It's very comforting to know that they treat the data of their Chinese users with such respect. For a company that insists on privacy being a human right, they sure do seem to have a flexible definition of human!

Take it up with the CCP.

Not that I really disagree. I wish more companies would refuse to do business under those kinds of conditions.

Re: Microsoft is phoning home the content of PowerPoint slides

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post #317

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Doctors routinely need to present cases to each other. It often involves pictures of the patient and other identifying information that is essential to describe the case in detail. They need some way to do this.

Any healthcare institution is going to have a Business Associate Agreement[1] with Microsoft. OneDrive is one of the allowed/suggested ways to transmit PHI where I work. [1] https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-professionals/covered-entities...

exactly .... people here suggesting that putting any PHI into an office document is intrinsically a HIPAA violation are bonkers.

Re: Microsoft is phoning home the content of PowerPoint slides

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Many folks are aware MS has been all-in on telemetry for perhaps a decade now. They pioneered activation two decades ago. Explicitly in the TOS. Producing more evidence is left as an exercise at this point. Edit: no more posts allowed for me. Reply below: That’s exactly what telemetry is, today. Grammarly built a whole business on this. Copilot, etc. Refusing to believe that times have changed because you’ve not been…

"Telemetry" is not "sending the contents of your documents" (or at least, not necessarily so). This comment kind of demonstrates my point about the complete lack of nuance in these conversations. And to reply to your reply: > That’s exactly what telemetry is The common understanding of telemetry is sending metadata about how people are using software. That is, things like "this button was clicked", "this feature was…

That’s what it meant a few years ago to me as well. But has expanded in practice. Yes this is too much focus on a single word.

The article states that text content is being sent, and that it makes sense according to the touted feature. Enough details given what we already know, though stingy.

More info would be useful to folks less familiar with the subject however the core issue here is somewhat old news.

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