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‘Putin’s chef’ admits to interfering in U.S. elections

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Re: ‘Putin’s chef’ admits to interfering in U.S. elections

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Post by throw-ru-938 »

bell-cot wrote: post #4

My impression (mostly from coverage that I've seen at UnderstandingWar.org ) is that Yevgeny Prigozhin might be happy to admit to quite a few things - whether or not he'd actually done them - so long as doing so advanced his public image (hint - neither "weak" nor "pro-American") and political ambitions. Pass the salt?

Yep, Prigozhin is a bullshitter on the level of Elon Musk.

The guy spent years publicly denying the existence of the Wagner group, then opened a patriotic co-working space literally called The Wagner Group Centre. (meanwhile, the group itself is still illegal under Russian law)

I'm not saying he didn't interfere in the elections, but whatever he says is no proof either way.

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Post by VictorPath »

eschulz wrote: post #49
psychlops wrote: post #39

Frankly, I'm shocked. The US would never do such a thing and to discover that others may want to influence american politics for their benefit is astonishing.

The US would never! https://content.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19960715,00.htm...

Three years before this Clinton, the US Congress and corporate media cheered as Yeltsin shelled the Russian parliament with the help of the Russian Army. The idea was to support a strongman Russian president with tight connections to Russia military and military intelligence against the elected parliament. He appointed Putin to take over for him when he left.

Nowadays the same US politicians and press bemoan Putin and the lack of democracy in Russia. It's a complete farce.

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Post by synergy20 »

cm2187 wrote: post #59

It's funny how the media were all over russian meddling into the 2016 elections but not a whisper of russian meddling in the 2020 elections. Either a) russia behaved in 2020 (which is not what this article suggest), or b) these interferences are background noise that don't have much of an impact (2020 elections treatment but then what about 2016?) or c) these interferences have a material impact (2016 elections treat…

these days the only two media I "trust" is apnews and reuters, all the rest are biased one way or another, I simply ignore all of them.

I read axios once a while because it's short, and, it seems more objective than all the rest(except for APNews and Reuters that is), so it's the 3rd site I visit.

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Post by mixmastamyk »

cm2187 wrote: post #59

It's funny how the media were all over russian meddling into the 2016 elections but not a whisper of russian meddling in the 2020 elections. Either a) russia behaved in 2020 (which is not what this article suggest), or b) these interferences are background noise that don't have much of an impact (2020 elections treatment but then what about 2016?) or c) these interferences have a material impact (2016 elections treat…

d) attacks have been mitigated

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Post by cm2187 »

d23 wrote: post #58

This is not in dispute. A reminder that 34 people were charged as a part of Mueller's investigation into Russian interference in our election, five of which were high level parts of Trump's campaign staff (Papadopoulos, Manafort, Gates, Flynn, and Cohen): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_charges_brought_in_th... . Roger Stone was also later indicted and imprisoned. Trump pardoned Flynn, Papadopoulos, Manafort,…

None of the names you mention were indicted for anything related to russian collusion. Mostly for perjury and tax fraud.

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Post by rossdavidh »

andreygrehov wrote: post #21

Yevgeny Prigozhin's response in Russian: > Я вам отвечу очень тонко, деликатно и прошу прощения, допущу определённую двусмысленность. Господа, мы вмешивались, вмешиваемся и будем вмешиваться. Аккуратно, точно, хирургически и по-своему, как мы это умеем. Во время наших точечных операций будем удалять сразу обе почки и печень. In English: > I will answer you very subtly, delicately and I apologize, I will allow a certa…

Thanks for that insight! This fellow is most definitely an attention-hog.

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Post by mywittyname »

xienze wrote: post #50
matthewdgreen wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point of these warnings is not to say "oh gosh it happens whatever" or "we need to launch the ICBMs directly at Moscow right now." The point is to gird the public so that they know the manipulation is happening and can try to compensate for it. There is a lot of denial about this interference happening out there (please do not make me link to it, it's five seconds on Google) and people who are in denial about thi…

> There is a lot of denial about this interference happening out there I would argue there’s a lot of creative interpretation of how much “interference” actually happens. Democrats are pretty much starting from the position that, due to demographics, the only way Republicans can gain the upper hand in national elections (or particular state/local elections) is through trickery and the assistance of foreign government…

> Democrats are pretty much starting from the position that, due to demographics, the only way Republicans can gain the upper hand in national elections (or particular state/local elections) is through trickery and the assistance of foreign government meddling.

WTF. Our voting system is so fundamentally broken and all any party needs to do to get a government majority without a popular majority is to push on the cracks. No foreign interference necessary, though, it helps.

The USA is so heavily gerrymandered that the vast majority of congressional races don't even need to hold actual elections, the outcome is 99% certain. There are 10 seats in the up-coming midterms which could be considered competitive out of 435. [0]

For the presidential election, the electoral college makes it possible for a candidate to win the presidency with a mere 23% of the popular vote.

[0] https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/gop-house-2022/

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Post by matwood »

it_citizen wrote: post #44
marviel wrote: post #17

The timing of this information suggests that while it may be true, its very disclosure may also be meddling in foreign elections -- i.e. casting doubt on their legitimacy helps many within the US who are actively trying to propagate that narrative. EDIT: A word

Russian interference is a pretty one sided thing. If it happened, it was to Trump benefit. Such declaration will be dismissed by conservatives as Democrat narrative. And democrats will just get comforted in their position. Russia would be stupid to say anything that would help democrats. They would be much better off with a republican house and senate. I think there are smarter things to say if they wanted to muddy t…

I think you're thinking short term. I don't think Russia cares democrat or republican, they want exactly what's happening - lack of confidence in the election process. Trump benefitted because he's reading from the same playbook - push a lack of confidence in the election process.

From Russia's standpoint, they can't take down the US. The US can certainly destroy itself from the inside though.

If we assume the GOP is already questioning all election results, then this most recent comment from Russia will bring more of the left in to question the results. When everyone questions the results, the US has a big problem.

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Post by coldtea »

smt88 wrote: post #32
MichaelCollins wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm still betting on a premature death, but never say never. Castro retired.

Castro was sick to the point of being unable to function, right?

No post body was provided.

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Post by matheusmoreira »

SQueeeeeL wrote: post #14
subsubzero wrote: post #9

Fun fact, many, many other foreign governments have "interfered" in our elections also. In addition the US has interfered in their elections as well. Its been happening for a very long time.

Yeah, everyone's so mortified when the US has been legitimately couping South American nations for a few decades. Like election interference is just an aspect of the global political chess game. America isn't immune from it just because we're "egalitarian" (which it really isn't, we have terrible health outcomes and literacy that have been spackled over by large financial success, we're essentially seeing our decline…

Recently the CIA pressured Brazil's president to accept the election results before they even happened. Even US media took issue with that.
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