‘Putin’s chef’ admits to interfering in U.S. elections • Hacker News Board

Re: ‘Putin’s chef’ admits to interfering in U.S. elections

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Post by KptMarchewa » Mon, Nov 07, 2022, 5:42 PM UTC

cwkoss wrote: post #3

Is there any major power not trying to influence other countries' elections? The US CIA has done this, much more directly and brazenly, in South America for decades. Kind of funny when Americans act like buff shirtless Bernie memes are worse than organizing and funding coups

Vietnam, country that was engaged in deathly war with US is happy to maintain decent relationship with USA.

Meanwhile, nearly every country occupied by soviet union is doing everything to help Ukraine who is fighting this way more deathly war.

Re: ‘Putin’s chef’ admits to interfering in U.S. elections

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Post by mywittyname » Mon, Nov 07, 2022, 5:43 PM UTC

matthewdgreen wrote: post #18

subsubzero wrote: post #9

Fun fact, many, many other foreign governments have "interfered" in our elections also. In addition the US has interfered in their elections as well. Its been happening for a very long time.

The point of these warnings is not to say "oh gosh it happens whatever" or "we need to launch the ICBMs directly at Moscow right now." The point is to gird the public so that they know the manipulation is happening and can try to compensate for it. There is a lot of denial about this interference happening out there (please do not make me link to it, it's five seconds on Google) and people who are in denial about thi…

There's a significant segment of the population who don't care about the manipulation, so long as it helps their "team".

There isn't really any way to compensate for it. All that does it encourage voter apathy at best, or at worst, people start to think "both sides do it, so it evens out."

Re: ‘Putin’s chef’ admits to interfering in U.S. elections

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Post by NDizzle » Mon, Nov 07, 2022, 5:44 PM UTC

lucretian wrote: post #46

NDizzle wrote: post #38

$100k in Facebook ads, in 2016. Soros has donated $126M for midterms tomorrow. [1] But, you know, mean tweets, Putin's puppet, etc, etc. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/03/us/politics/midterm-money...

Soros is an American citizen. Thanks to a conservative SCOTUS decision, he apparently has every right to exercise political free speech via cold hard cash. Are you going to say anything similarly conspiratorial about Robert Mercer? Robert Uihlein? The Koch brothers?

Whataboutism? No, I'm just sticking with Soros for now. The rest are an exercise for others to complete. Color within the lines, please.

Re: ‘Putin’s chef’ admits to interfering in U.S. elections

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Post by lijogdfljk » Mon, Nov 07, 2022, 5:44 PM UTC

it_citizen wrote: post #44

marviel wrote: post #17

The timing of this information suggests that while it may be true, its very disclosure may also be meddling in foreign elections -- i.e. casting doubt on their legitimacy helps many within the US who are actively trying to propagate that narrative. EDIT: A word

Russian interference is a pretty one sided thing. If it happened, it was to Trump benefit. Such declaration will be dismissed by conservatives as Democrat narrative. And democrats will just get comforted in their position. Russia would be stupid to say anything that would help democrats. They would be much better off with a republican house and senate. I think there are smarter things to say if they wanted to muddy t…

I've seen that narrative in Conservative circles. However i've seen just about everything over there, so it's really difficult for me to know what is "sticking" and what is just clumps of people agreeing to random things.

Ie what i'm referencing is more than just a single comment, it was many in agreement; but i've tended to see these "pockets of fringe" where in any larger thread i can expect to see just about anything being discussed and agreed upon.

Makes it really hard to discern larger beliefs.

Re: ‘Putin’s chef’ admits to interfering in U.S. elections

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Post by colinmhayes » Mon, Nov 07, 2022, 5:47 PM UTC

drcongo wrote: post #10

asveikau wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Salvador Allende was nearly 50 years ago. I think the US does a lot less of this now. IMO The Iraq War was the last colossal bullshit thing to date. Many Americans (self included) were against it and we're a few presidents removed from that shitty decision. Around the time of the invasion, Putin cited it as something that excuses his current behavior. But saying the US did something years ago does not justify one's o…

Venezuela was 2 years ago.

Any prefered sources on what the CIA did in venezuela 2 years ago?

Re: ‘Putin’s chef’ admits to interfering in U.S. elections

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Post by pdonis » Mon, Nov 07, 2022, 5:48 PM UTC

psychlops wrote: post #39

Frankly, I'm shocked. The US would never do such a thing and to discover that others may want to influence american politics for their benefit is astonishing.

I'm going to assume that your "shock" is of the same kind as Captain Renault's when he says he is shocked, shocked to find that there's gambling going on at Rick's.

Re: ‘Putin’s chef’ admits to interfering in U.S. elections

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Post by timeon » Mon, Nov 07, 2022, 5:48 PM UTC

NDizzle wrote: post #38

$100k in Facebook ads, in 2016. Soros has donated $126M for midterms tomorrow. [1] But, you know, mean tweets, Putin's puppet, etc, etc. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/03/us/politics/midterm-money...

I 2-party system you can just act based on the facts and hurt your party or ignore the facts of current topic and try to shift the focus - like you are doing now.

Re: ‘Putin’s chef’ admits to interfering in U.S. elections

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Post by d23 » Mon, Nov 07, 2022, 5:48 PM UTC

This is not in dispute. A reminder that 34 people were charged as a part of Mueller's investigation into Russian interference in our election, five of which were high level parts of Trump's campaign staff (Papadopoulos, Manafort, Gates, Flynn, and Cohen): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_charges_brought_in_th.... Roger Stone was also later indicted and imprisoned. Trump pardoned Flynn, Papadopoulos, Manafort, and Stone.

Re: ‘Putin’s chef’ admits to interfering in U.S. elections

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Post by cm2187 » Mon, Nov 07, 2022, 5:49 PM UTC

It's funny how the media were all over russian meddling into the 2016 elections but not a whisper of russian meddling in the 2020 elections. Either a) russia behaved in 2020 (which is not what this article suggest), or b) these interferences are background noise that don't have much of an impact (2020 elections treatment but then what about 2016?) or c) these interferences have a material impact (2016 elections treatment but then what about 2020?).

a) is highly improbable, b) and c) are proof that the media narrative is all bullshit to push a political agenda.

Re: ‘Putin’s chef’ admits to interfering in U.S. elections

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Post by godelski » Mon, Nov 07, 2022, 5:50 PM UTC

subsubzero wrote: post #9

Fun fact, many, many other foreign governments have "interfered" in our elections also. In addition the US has interfered in their elections as well. Its been happening for a very long time.

This comment comes off as malinformation. Malinformation isn't information that is incorrect, but correct information used in a way to create a misleading context. There's 2 problems here. 1) You're implicitly dismissive of a foreign government interfering in our elections. I think most of us here will agree that any interference from any entity is not okay. 2) It muddles the conversation with more noise. A more in depth version of this wouldn't, and could add more context, but this comment is not doing that.

I don't think this was done on purpose, but I'm noting it because it seems to be becoming the common way we speak these days and that isn't healthy to our abilities to solve these issues. We need to discuss the nuance and complexities of these events or else others will control the narratives and make us fight within ourselves instead of uniting to solve these issues.