People need to realize that if your goal is to destabilize the United States, insinuating you are interfering with elections while not actually doing anything, is sufficient to cause national upset
‘Putin’s chef’ admits to interfering in U.S. elections
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#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
After the cold war ended (last three decades), I'm not sure of any case where America has been coup'ing countries in South America. Do you know some cases?
Dang, I didn't realize confirmed election interference stopped mattering if we were at war with another superpower.
It did matter because evil soviet union was a threat to whole world. Thanks to mainly US actions my country is now free of russian torturers.
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> after Putin retires He ain't retiring. The only way he is leaving the Kremlin is in a casket.
I'm still betting on a premature death, but never say never. Castro retired.
> I'm still betting on a premature death
Mr Putin is 70 years old, and reports of his health issues are circulating. So I think that it's too late for "premature" death.
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#44The timing of this information suggests that while it may be true, its very disclosure may also be meddling in foreign elections -- i.e. casting doubt on their legitimacy helps many within the US who are actively trying to propagate that narrative. EDIT: A word
Russian interference is a pretty one sided thing. If it happened, it was to Trump benefit.
Such declaration will be dismissed by conservatives as Democrat narrative. And democrats will just get comforted in their position.
Russia would be stupid to say anything that would help democrats. They would be much better off with a republican house and senate.
I think there are smarter things to say if they wanted to muddy the waters.
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#46$100k in Facebook ads, in 2016. Soros has donated $126M for midterms tomorrow. [1] But, you know, mean tweets, Putin's puppet, etc, etc. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/03/us/politics/midterm-money...
Soros is an American citizen. Thanks to a conservative SCOTUS decision, he apparently has every right to exercise political free speech via cold hard cash. Are you going to say anything similarly conspiratorial about Robert Mercer? Robert Uihlein? The Koch brothers?
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#47I think a lot of people are missing the point here. It doesn't matter that the US does this or not (at least not to this case). What matters is that there is still a large part of the US population who thinks only the US does it, and that it doesn't happen to us. A lot of people with strongly held beliefs got those from foreign propaganda, and it's important to realize that. And it's not just the right wing. A lot of…
Ya. Unironically, if you were trying to destabilize the US, taking advantage of things like the fact that 30% of the country kinda has fundamentalist views on women's rights is super smart. It basically tears the nation in half with super little effort, of course they would leverage it.
It's a perfect game to play because dividing a country along the contractions in it's own ideology is unresolvable, beautiful political maneuvering. To have countered something like this, the US would've needed to probably triple it's investing in universal education 20 years ago.
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Yeah this is all an internal power game. Shoigu is a laughingstock, and everyone is angling to be next-in-line by advertising what they've actually accomplished (and presumably, for the presidency after Putin retires).
> after Putin retires He ain't retiring. The only way he is leaving the Kremlin is in a casket.
I'm not sure why everyone assumes this. It seems like he'd have much more ability to shape the future of Russia and protect those close to him if he chooses a successor and oversees the succession. He could also ensure better conditions for himself (i.e. not being executed) in case he ends up being unable to continue ruling due to sickness/old age.
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#49Frankly, I'm shocked. The US would never do such a thing and to discover that others may want to influence american politics for their benefit is astonishing.
The US would never!
https://content.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19960715,00.htm...
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#50Fun fact, many, many other foreign governments have "interfered" in our elections also. In addition the US has interfered in their elections as well. Its been happening for a very long time.
The point of these warnings is not to say "oh gosh it happens whatever" or "we need to launch the ICBMs directly at Moscow right now." The point is to gird the public so that they know the manipulation is happening and can try to compensate for it. There is a lot of denial about this interference happening out there (please do not make me link to it, it's five seconds on Google) and people who are in denial about thi…
> There is a lot of denial about this interference happening out there
I would argue there’s a lot of creative interpretation of how much “interference” actually happens. Democrats are pretty much starting from the position that, due to demographics, the only way Republicans can gain the upper hand in national elections (or particular state/local elections) is through trickery and the assistance of foreign government meddling. Hence why before and after every election we’re warned repeatedly about foreign interference in our elections. And you would be lying if you said that if the expected red wave materializes that there won’t be large amounts of ink spilled over how Russia pulled it off yet again.
Yet if Democrats were to unexpectedly come out on top in a few days, do you think the same people going on about foreign interference would insist that we have to see what role it played in helping certain Democrats win their respective races? Somehow I doubt it. Which is why I think “interference” is a very useful political tool. It’s vague in nature, if we’re being honest it’s impossible to measure its impact, and it serves a very useful purpose — to cast doubt on the victories of political opponents.