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Swedish amateur archivist “Rosa Mannen” shut down from YouTube again

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Re: Swedish amateur archivist “Rosa Mannen” shut down from YouTube again

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Youtube is the wrong place for this sort of thing, unfortunately. Archive.org is the right place for it.

archive.org is good for public domain content, which this clearly is not. The right place for this would be offline tape archive.

The IA hosts lots of non-public-domain videos, including loads of rare ripped-from-VCR material. Copyright status rarely is an issue unless a copyright holder finds a specific video and makes an explicit DMCA claim against it.

And even then, nothing is ever really deleted, just non-visible, for now…

Re: Swedish amateur archivist “Rosa Mannen” shut down from YouTube again

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What do you think happens when you upload captured TV-content on YT?? From copyright point of view there is not really much difference between 20 day old content and 20 year old content, its all equally protected. Just saying that the intent is "archival" doesn't change anything

Sadly we have many hobbyist who do great work, but they are completely naive about the world. I'd hate to see the work go to waste. I think archiving these things are important, sadly people who work like this are making a ton of assumptions about how the world works and often completely ignore legal issues. It's often good that they do, if someone sat down and tried to handle the legality of the project first, then it would never get off the ground.

Right now there's some hope that some Swedish organisation, The Internet Archive, maybe even YouTube, can step in and save the work. Then again there's a risk that no one can help.

It is not much different that people building a community on Facebook, because it's easy, it gives them a ready made platform. An easy to use platform. Then they're surprised when Facebook close their account for violating a policy that was always there, but they never actually read Facebooks terms and condition (which I can understand).

I'm sorry it happened to the guy, but you're right: "What did you think would happen?" The only surprise is that it didn't happen earlier.

Re: Swedish amateur archivist “Rosa Mannen” shut down from YouTube again

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Youtube is the wrong place for this sort of thing, unfortunately. Archive.org is the right place for it.

https://web.archive.org/web/20220000000000*/twitter.com/Tayl... https://web.archive.org/web/20220000000000*/amren.com Sorry. This URL has been excluded from the Wayback Machine. No reason or explanation given, or hint at who excluded it.

To be clear: I'm not suggesting he archive a youtube video using the Wayback machine. (Does this even work?)

I am suggesting he upload the files directly.

Re: Swedish amateur archivist “Rosa Mannen” shut down from YouTube again

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This is very sad news for all Swedes. Here is an article in english: https://sweden.postsen.com/trends/49453/The-YouTube-channel-... And for Swedes you can watch a short interview with him on Swedish Televison in the first 8 minutes of this program: https://www.svtplay.se/video/33989650/sverige/sverige-sasong... The program above is from the last shutdown and the example given there about his most popular clip was a…

The design of that https://www.svtplay.se/ site is nice. I like the page transition when you hit play.

SVT is public service TV in Sweden. SvtPlay their online streaming service.

Lots of opinions about SVT (as there should be, it’s public!) but if you ask me, it’s super high quality and it’s something that I’m very proud of, as someone from Sweden.

Re: Swedish amateur archivist “Rosa Mannen” shut down from YouTube again

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The design of that https://www.svtplay.se/ site is nice. I like the page transition when you hit play.

SVT is public service TV in Sweden. SvtPlay their online streaming service. Lots of opinions about SVT (as there should be, it’s public!) but if you ask me, it’s super high quality and it’s something that I’m very proud of, as someone from Sweden.

I am of a different opinion. I agree that SVT Play is technically well built and the service is useful. Also, there are good programs to be found. But I think it could be much better. For example the DW Documentary channel, which can be found on Youtube, has better documentaries on average, than are broadcast on SVT. Also, I feel like SVT has an abnoxious tendency to lecture their audience. I don't feel I am treated as an adult, but I am told what to think.

Re: Swedish amateur archivist “Rosa Mannen” shut down from YouTube again

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Youtube is the wrong place for this sort of thing, unfortunately. Archive.org is the right place for it.

https://web.archive.org/web/20220000000000*/twitter.com/Tayl... https://web.archive.org/web/20220000000000*/amren.com Sorry. This URL has been excluded from the Wayback Machine. No reason or explanation given, or hint at who excluded it.

For those of us at home, Taylor Lorenz is the niece of Roger Macdonald, creator of The Internet Archive's "Television Archive".

Re: Swedish amateur archivist “Rosa Mannen” shut down from YouTube again

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

SVT is public service TV in Sweden. SvtPlay their online streaming service. Lots of opinions about SVT (as there should be, it’s public!) but if you ask me, it’s super high quality and it’s something that I’m very proud of, as someone from Sweden.

I am of a different opinion. I agree that SVT Play is technically well built and the service is useful. Also, there are good programs to be found. But I think it could be much better. For example the DW Documentary channel, which can be found on Youtube, has better documentaries on average, than are broadcast on SVT. Also, I feel like SVT has an abnoxious tendency to lecture their audience. I don't feel I am treated…

Telling people what to think is what Sweden is all about. :)

Re: Swedish amateur archivist “Rosa Mannen” shut down from YouTube again

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What do you think happens when you upload captured TV-content on YT?? From copyright point of view there is not really much difference between 20 day old content and 20 year old content, its all equally protected. Just saying that the intent is "archival" doesn't change anything

> Just saying that the intent is "archival" doesn't change anything

Well, it sort of does because copyright laws have carve outs for libraries and archiving.

Re: Swedish amateur archivist “Rosa Mannen” shut down from YouTube again

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Youtube is the wrong place for this sort of thing, unfortunately. Archive.org is the right place for it.

True. That or something like a Peertube instance.

Archive.org should operate a peertube instance.

Re: Swedish amateur archivist “Rosa Mannen” shut down from YouTube again

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Youtube is the wrong place for this sort of thing, unfortunately. Archive.org is the right place for it.

Youtube banned the archivist Jeff Quitney a few years ago. This particularly stings because a lot of wikipedia articles still cite and link to videos he uploaded. You can find (most of?) his videos here now: https://archive.org/download/Jeff_Quitney_me

There was a Danish church organist I came across on YouTube, who had worked his way through pretty much every Danish hymnal/school song book, and many Swedish and Norwegian ones too. He'd been at it for years. Then suddenly he was gone. I assume one too many of the songs he'd played must have had been too recent, and got copystriked.

It's pretty sad that even marginal, plainly non-commercial work of an archival nature isn't left alone.

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