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Microsoft is phoning home the content of PowerPoint slides

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Re: Microsoft is phoning home the content of PowerPoint slides

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Yeah, I'm surprised every healthcare related business doesn't either ban PowerPoint or block this "feature" somehow. HIPAA is a hell of a drug.

Can you point to the provision of HIPAA that this is violating?

Yeah. The HIPAA data needs to be encrypted and you have to report everyone who has access and you need patient permission to share. HIPAA is bad, but ITAR violations put you in jail!

Re: Microsoft is phoning home the content of PowerPoint slides

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The future of personal computing is really dark these days. I just attended an apple event for education and government. The amount of data tracking and the standardization/normalization of this behavior is dystopian. What happened to computers being just fun and a source of exploration and freedom? Microsoft, Gooogle, Apple all constantly push their cloud based accounts … where everything is tracked.

On the other hand, Atlassian’s stock lost 66% of its value, and it could be because investors notice that converting people to the Cloud is not currently working. Atlassian should have better bet on their Server solutions, but they really really wanted to be a cloud operator. “For strategic reasons.” Maybe for governmental reasons, who knows.

It's a contentious issue in AppSec where most vendors want you to upload source code to their cloud for anything other than the most basic of scans. There are SLAs for how long the vendors can retain the source code they scan, but many clients are not aware of how much of these scans are performed manually behind the scenes by humans and how few of the vendors have their compliance audited. The possibility of a vendor failing to properly secure your source code is risky enough on its own, but it being accompanied by detailed reports of the security vulnerabilities in the code should cause some hair to stand on end.

Re: Microsoft is phoning home the content of PowerPoint slides

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What I want is Little Snitch on steroids built into the OS where every process, including all native ones, including UI apps, are blocked from network connectivity by default, and the user gets an easy monitor of outgoing traffic with TLS/SSL inspection built in (you'd need some OS API to enable that). Kind of like granular oauth permissions, apps should have to declare which outgoing they have, a description/why, an…

What I want is Little Snitch on steroids built into the OS where every process, You cannot trust an OS you cannot build yourself. That's why I see Linux as the only option for professionals and privacy minded people.

That assumes people actually have the capacity to examine the source to do so and make the requisite adjustments.

The real answer IMHO is to control your networking stack outside of your computer instead. Firewall that and you have way better security

Re: Microsoft is phoning home the content of PowerPoint slides

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That is a help page guiding the user on how to use the feature. Of course it’s going to be “hidden” when turning on the feature is the smallest step to using it. If to use the feature you are explicitly asked to turn it on, with an option to view a privacy policy, that is “blatantly obvious”. It isn’t hidden or buried under a dozen other settings when you install PowerPoint, it’s done at time of use. How, exactly, wo…

> If to use the feature you are explicitly asked to turn it on, with an option to view a privacy policy, that is “blatantly obvious”. I disagree. > How, exactly, would you want it to be more obvious? A big red box every time the feature is mentioned in the help site? Yes, more or less. I would be perfectly happy with a single red box at the top that says this feature sends the contents of your slide to Microsoft. I a…

> Yes, more or less. I would be perfectly happy with a single red box at the top that says this feature sends the contents of your slide to Microsoft.

As a user I'd like the ability to opt-in/out of this. I much prefer a privacy policy that captures all of it for the app. Otherwise, I have red boxes showing up non-stop using most apps. Can you imagine the sheer number of red boxes you'd get for Netflix the first few times you use it!

Re: Microsoft is phoning home the content of PowerPoint slides

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What I want is Little Snitch on steroids built into the OS where every process, including all native ones, including UI apps, are blocked from network connectivity by default, and the user gets an easy monitor of outgoing traffic with TLS/SSL inspection built in (you'd need some OS API to enable that). Kind of like granular oauth permissions, apps should have to declare which outgoing they have, a description/why, an…

> What I want is Little Snitch on steroids built into the OS where every process, including all native ones, including UI apps, are blocked from network connectivity by default, and the user gets an easy monitor of outgoing traffic with TLS/SSL inspection built in (you'd need some OS API to enable that). If you want to you can do that with Linux. Sure you'd need to use the CLI, and a combination of tools but you can…

Not quite.

For this to work well, all your apps need to run with not being able to do their own TLS, but to various (reasonable) reasons a lot of applications today do their own TLS.

You also don't want to add self-signed certificates, but grab the traffic _before_ it gets encrypted IMHO.

In some cases it's still quite viable, like if they dynamic link to OpenSSL (or similar) you could create a facade which allows grabbing traffic.

But things get problematic when it's statically compiled in and not open source.

Additionally there are quite a bunch of use-cases where the encryption is not TLS, like e.g. with some WebRTC applications it's not uncommon to have an encrypted channel we could access to a broker server but in that channel E2E encrypted messages are send e.g. using libsodium statically compiled in.

Re: Microsoft is phoning home the content of PowerPoint slides

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What I want is Little Snitch on steroids built into the OS where every process, including all native ones, including UI apps, are blocked from network connectivity by default, and the user gets an easy monitor of outgoing traffic with TLS/SSL inspection built in (you'd need some OS API to enable that). Kind of like granular oauth permissions, apps should have to declare which outgoing they have, a description/why, an…

> I doubt any of this will ever be remedied.

What if you didn’t use PowerPoint?

Seems much simpler.

Also, maybe the data makes PowerPoint good? Or better?

Alternatives to PowerPoint: won’t all of the viable ones be hosted on the web?

What do you want? You can install PowerPoint 97. No one is stopping you.

Re: Microsoft is phoning home the content of PowerPoint slides

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> is like driving 60 mph on a road with no lane dividers That’s somewhat funny, because a Landesstraße in Germany has no lane dividers and the speed limit is 100 km/h (about 60 mp/h). Unless I’m misunderstanding and lane dividers mean the printed lines.

There are a lot of roads in the US with a 55MPH speed limit and no lane dividers. In many states, all rural roads with no posted speed-limit have an assumed speed limit of 55MPH. People drive 60 on such roads all the time.

Largely true, but worth noting that each state has its own speed limit. Vermont, for instance, sets the state non-highway speed limit at 50MPH, so you'll almost never find 55MPH undivided roads in that state. Colorado, on the other hand, has undivided roads with 65MPH speed limits. Much of the Midwest and the East Coast tend to set their limits at 55MPH, though.

Re: Microsoft is phoning home the content of PowerPoint slides

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Do they run on the same infrastructure as the rest of us?

No they run in isolated networks. No classified DoD networks have any access to the internet.

ITAR regulated information isn't only on the SIPR/High side.

From the perspective of Classified Data this SHOULD not be a problem, but I highlight the "SHOULD" because sometimes these barriers get crossed unintentionally. Mission briefings, etc. may accidentally leak info, and those are almost all PowerPoint.

For the ITAR data though, that's absolutely not only on isolated networks.

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