I hope this boosts Mastadon take up use. Are there any other large organisations that use it?
The German government also run their own instance: https://social.bund.de
EU Voice
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Re: EU Voice
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It is better to have an official instance just like you have official websites. It means that accounts on this instance are official, that you can take their words as official statement. Having one big instance for every EU citizen is just political centralisation and is not a lot better than the economical one done by Twitter. We have to unlearn that "everything centralized is good and the only way to go"
> It is better to have an official instance just like you have official websites. It means that accounts on this instance are official, that you can take their words as official statement. The EU could verify official accounts on their instance. > Having one big instance for every EU citizen is just political centralisation and is not a lot better than the economical one done by Twitter. It would be an alternative. P…
> The EU could verify official accounts on their instance.
I don't think the Fediverse has any concept of "verification" as such. Hence "use your own domain to prove your identity".
Re: EU Voice
#233Earlier quoted context omitted.
With Signal given as an example, I don't think your conclusion is right. Signal is famous for disallowing federation in the network they own. (I'm guessing that there's no provision for federation in the Signal protocol for that reason, either.)
Signal is equally (in)famous for using this lack of federation to then force advertising for its cryptocoin into all of its clients: https://www.osnews.com/story/133275/signal-embeds-shady-cryp...
Did they bundle it or abandon that idea? I don’t see it in the app
Re: EU Voice
#234Earlier quoted context omitted.
it is related. It was created after Elon Musk bid[1] was accepted. Which is strange, suggesting that Musk would be bad, supporting the rhetoric that the millionaire owners of twitters would be more democratic than the billionaire Elon Musk. I know that hn is 100% for mastodon. I like it too. I just don't think that what EU is doing is unrelated with Musk and I don't like how EU stands behind this narrative that "befo…
You might not like it, but it's not unfounded. I'm glad EU steers away from Musk's endeavours. It seems like he would make an excellent scam artist.
why its not unfounded? Reading his comments, looks like he will focus on having plurality on the moderation team and he will fight the bots and anonymous accounts which are quite noisy and disturbance to the real discussion. Twitter has potential to become the most important communication channel in the World, and I'm sure Musk will be the person leading it to this direction.
Re: EU Voice
#235Earlier quoted context omitted.
Alternative take - people know what the EU is, but also know that they have no way to control or influence it. So they ignore it because it'll do whatever it's going to do anyway regardless of whether or not people think it's a good idea. For example participation in EU elections is low because they aren't elections to a real parliament. MEPs aren't allowed to change law or even start the process of changing the law,…
> also know that they have no way to control or influence it So they know what it is but nothing about how it works, should've specified I was talking about knowing how it works in my comments above What's missing from your collection of quotes is that at the end of the day it all comes down to a public vote, whether in the EU parliament, national parliaments, referenda etc The "secret lawmaking" still needs to be vo…
The "secret lawmaking" still needs to be voted on in parliament
Because it's not actually a Parliament, its members pretty much always supports the Commission in whatever it wants to do except for the protest parties like UKIP, Le Pen's party etc. Nobody with any political ambition or interest goes to the EP because they can't do anything there, so it's full of seat warmers whose primary interest is collecting a salary.
Here's another Juncker quote for you, to demonstrate the problem:
https://www.politico.eu/article/jean-claude-juncker-european...
Jean-Claude Juncker: ‘The Parliament is ridiculous’ After only about 30 MEPs show up for debate, Commission president says body ‘not serious.’
Can you imagine the British Prime Minister talking about the British Parliament in that way? Of course not, it's unthinkable. But Juncker is right. The EP is not even a Parliament because a Parliament is by definition the arm of government that creates law. The EP can't do that, therefore it isn't a Parliament, which leads to the question of what it really is. Unfortunately like in a single party state, the terminology of democracy is used but with procedural changes that render it an undemocratic system, thus we don't have a good word for this type of fake pseudo-Parliament.
You propose that the European "Parliament" could, in extremis, attempt to simply shut down the EU completely if the Commission didn't do as it was told. This is a theoretical possibility only, sort of like organizing a second party in a one party state. You could try, and anti-EU parties send people to the Parliament who think that institution shouldn't even exist at all, partly to try that (see UKIP). But the sort of people who want to spend years rotting uselessly in a powerless pseudo-Parliament are of course the sort of yes-men who went there specifically because they are EU mega fans. The sort of people who aren't obviously focus on national politics because that's where they think, correctly, power should actually reside.
A good example of the problems that typify the EP is that the EU likes prosecuting "crimes" like using funding you get via being elected to the EP to engage in anti-EU politics. One might think that people who work for a Parliament would be expected to engage in politics, but the EU considers campaigning against the EU to be a "conflict of interest" and national politics not European politics. Because the only possible positions you can have as a EU level party are pro/anti the EU as a whole due to that lack of power, classifying the anti position as "national politics" and thus a "conflict of interest" effectively encodes in EU procedure that the only allowable position in the Parliament is blindly applauding whatever is put in front of them. Do the opposite and you can be tried for fraud.
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/politics/article/2022/04/18/marine...
Re: EU Voice
#236Earlier quoted context omitted.
it is related. It was created after Elon Musk bid[1] was accepted. Which is strange, suggesting that Musk would be bad, supporting the rhetoric that the millionaire owners of twitters would be more democratic than the billionaire Elon Musk. I know that hn is 100% for mastodon. I like it too. I just don't think that what EU is doing is unrelated with Musk and I don't like how EU stands behind this narrative that "befo…
You might not like it, but it's not unfounded. I'm glad EU steers away from Musk's endeavours. It seems like he would make an excellent scam artist.
Musk is a problem sure but that's nothing compared to Christian nationalists taking over America.
What if they make it illegal to mention homosexuality or abortion on Twitter?
Re: EU Voice
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It was unfortunate timing, but Musk made his offer on the 14th of April, this instance was launched on the 25th I admire your faith in it but there's no way in hell two different branches of the Commission were able to coordinate a deployment, ask for the budget, make all the preparations on anything in two weeks I would be shocked if it took them less than 6-8 months to organize it all
The EU are useless bureaucrats that can never and will never organise anything without spending years debating it and billions implementing it. The disguting EU are attacking Musk by deciding to implement this; funding, coordinating, building and launching this in 11 days. Oh and a personal f'you to google as they launched a youtube clone too... I admire people who can hold opposing opinions at the same time, but let…
So… aren’t the first two paragraphs of your comment mutually exclusive? As in, given the timeline, either the EU are attacking Musk but can move pretty fast, or this has nothing to do with Musk?
Re: EU Voice
#238Earlier quoted context omitted.
You might not like it, but it's not unfounded. I'm glad EU steers away from Musk's endeavours. It seems like he would make an excellent scam artist.
why its not unfounded? Reading his comments, looks like he will focus on having plurality on the moderation team and he will fight the bots and anonymous accounts which are quite noisy and disturbance to the real discussion. Twitter has potential to become the most important communication channel in the World, and I'm sure Musk will be the person leading it to this direction.
Because he has proven his comments don't mean anything.
> Twitter has potential to become the most important communication channel in the World
Isn't it already?
Re: EU Voice
#239Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are not supposed to use this website so UX really doesn't apply. This is the Mastodon instance of official EU accounts, not a website where you can sign up. You can follow any of these official EU accounts from other Mastodon instances since Mastodon is federated. Your gateway to Mastodon is the website of the instance where you sign up or one of the many Mastodon client apps. What would likely happen is that you…
"You are not supposed to use this website" This is hilarious
Why is that hilarious? Because you don't get the point of a federated service?
Re: EU Voice
#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
The EU are useless bureaucrats that can never and will never organise anything without spending years debating it and billions implementing it. The disguting EU are attacking Musk by deciding to implement this; funding, coordinating, building and launching this in 11 days. Oh and a personal f'you to google as they launched a youtube clone too... I admire people who can hold opposing opinions at the same time, but let…
So… aren’t the first two paragraphs of your comment mutually exclusive? As in, given the timeline, either the EU are attacking Musk but can move pretty fast, or this has nothing to do with Musk?
I admire people who can hold opposing opinions at the same time, but lets face it these both cant be true.