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Twitter Now Asks Some Fired Workers to Please Come Back

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Re: Twitter Now Asks Some Fired Workers to Please Come Back

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Actually, this is in line with the philosophy at Tesla's/Elon companies of "if you're not occasionally replacing components you deleted, then you aren't removing enough."

The best employees is no employee.

Reducing expenses probably looks nice in quarterly reports.

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Can't wait to see the HN "just give Elon a chance to put his brilliant plans in motion!" crowd to explain this one to us. Enlighten us please !

Tuning a guitar string often involves going too low and then raising back up to the right note. Disruptive to the workers, but Musk is tuning a guitar not running a daycare - requirements and concerns are different. I’m sure he’s less worried about the optics of correction than you are. Add your own value judgements accordingly. Personally I can’t make myself see this as a humanitarian disaster — these employees have…

I mean yeah some reorganizations were probably needed, but he seems to take a shotgun approach to it. Fire half the people, whip the leftovers into making a new feature to be done within days, shun the actual people using the platform by removing their verification, demanding payment, and having them banned anyway when they cause him butthurt, etc.

He could've done all that much more smoothly. Now though, Twitter is spiraling.

Re: Twitter Now Asks Some Fired Workers to Please Come Back

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I would love to listen in on those negotiations. If you’re reading this, and Twitter wants you back, I hope you ask for a contract with a year’s pay in advance, due before returning to work, at 10x your prior rate. After all, you must be one of those 10x developers if Elon is willing to eat crow and ask you to come back.

There’s likely no negotiations. More of a “could you come back please?” And you either accept because you don’t have anything lined up or tell them to go pound sand

I'm 99% confident that anyone with Twitter on their resumè will have no problems landing another job.

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Sounds familiar. Where I worked years ago, the company asked for volunteers to be laid off, many people, took the package (1 years salary). IT was not allowed to volunteer. Mang. did not keep count, some Departments were emptied out. So after a couple of weeks, many people were re-hired and was able to keep their '1 year salary bonus'. Many people in IT left once the re-hirings happened. The company went chapter 11 a…

Accept to leave for 1 year salary? I’d do that any time. It’s a free year off, you can even start working somewhere else if you get bored and just be 1 year ahead finance wise. That’s a great deal.

Plus generally speaking, changing jobs will get you a raise as well.

Re: Twitter Now Asks Some Fired Workers to Please Come Back

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Of those 4M/day, 2.7M are the interest on the leveraged buyout debt that Musk had Twitter take, they weren't there before! In comparison, assuming an everage yearly cost per fired employee of 200K, by firing 3000 of them they are saving 1.6M a day. Musk added 2.7M/day of purely financial cost, and then tried to reduce the damage by firing half the company and it's not even nearly enough! And this is before the lost i…

I wonder if all these commenters blaming Musk for screwing up Twitter and the layoff realize that the pre-Musk Twitter had already planned layoffs. > Before Musk took over the site, Twitter had already planned broad layoffs, which would have affected up to a quarter of the staff, according to people familiar with the plans. The Post reported previously the company’s board was planning to cut thousands of jobs as part…

This is like saying that people who call new painting as super ugly on the wall should stop complaining, because there was originally plan for different painting. Size of layoffs matter. How you execute layoffs matter. How you choose people to be fired and how you treat them matter a lot. And also, it matter a lot whether you dont play into hostile attitude nonsense toward them on social media (they were surely all lazy useless zero product employess think should be at least commented on).

You can come in, have respectful speech, announce yourself as an owner, announce future layoffs and then work on one that at least appear semi reasonable. Or, you can come in with sink, hahaha, make it into twitter joke, spend weekend planning layoff while joking about it on twitter.

These two are radically different.

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Fired due to clerical error! That’s a new one, and quite motivating for the employee who is no longer fired.

It is absolutely not a new one. Welcome to planet earth. Read some Kafka.

Kafka wrote fiction. And was mentally unwell. I do like his writing, actually, but his books are not proof of anything.

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How it looked in his head: Swoop in to the sounds of Jan Hammer’s Crocketts Theme with his Tesla staff entourage, you’re fired you’re fired, sit down, hack the planet, job done, planet bows before him, free speech restored. How it turned out: “Um, boss, we’ve spent the last three days trying to get a build running in Jenkins. Might want to get the dudes you fired back.”. While all the advertisers distance themselves…

The world's full of them though. I don't really get the passion behind the anti-Elon camp. It sounds personal. Isn't it just some billionaire doing what they do?

It's the unrealised promise or illusion, at least for me. I was a huge fan of him, mostly due to SpaceX, and still follow bigger events or announcements regarding his company. But he really disappointed me with his personal opinions and management practices, multiple times, even before Twitter debacle.

On the other hand I don't have any hopes for Bezos or some Comcast or BP billionaires as an example, so they don't disappoint me much :)

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Healthcare.gov. We've had that system for 12 years. I've never had employer healthcare, it was way more expensive than private insurance in Hawaii, which anyone can get and you auto-qualify for enrollment if you change jobs or move. https://www.navapbc.com/insights/twelve-years-of-healthcare-...

Are you saying you’ve declined your employer sponsored healthcare and just signed up at healthcare.gov and it ended up being cheaper?

Yes. The plan my employer had in Hawaii was $700/mo for pretty average coverage. On Healthcare.gov the best possible plan I could get, $0 deductible, full coverage, etc, was $510/mo.

I think the difficulty is that most people who have employer healthcare have never checked healthcare.gov because they didn't need to, but it's hard to keep seeing people perpetuate this idea that hasn't been true for over a decade.

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He's paying 3 months severance.

So when he's bragging that severance is larger than it had to be, it's basically a lie?

If it's 3 months severance, doesn't seem like he's lying.

> WARN protects employees, their families, and communities by requiring employers to give a 60-day notice

https://edd.ca.gov/en/Jobs_and_Training/Layoff_Services_WARN

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