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Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by Laaas »

grecy wrote: post #48

So I've seen every news agency on the planet run this story, and they either cite each other in a huge circle, or they cite "people familiar with the matter". Do we have 100% concrete first-hand documented evidence this actually happened to more than -let's say- 10 people? Somehow, I highly doubt it.

It seems to me that unfortunately there's a lot of "tesla man bad" going around, causing dubious stories to be spread before they're verified.

You'll also see lots of people claiming Musk somehow broke employment law by not giving notice of termination, which is unproven, and in direct contradiction with what he tweeted himself (he said everyone gets ~90 days of salary IIRC).

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by input_sh »

Sakos wrote: post #20
LadyCailin wrote: post #5

I just really don’t understand how this whole situation has been this badly mismanaged. I fully believe his original offer to be a troll, but then he got stuck with it, but he has since so mismanaged this entire affair that I simply can’t understand how. Is the guy surrounding himself with idiotic advisers? Has he just gotten so far from reality that he can’t make reasonable predictions? Has he gone off some meds? It…

From the guy who managed to launch Starlink and currently runs the most successful/effective space launch provider, it's so bizarre seeing him fumble Twitter so badly. Has something changed about him or has he always been this way and the space industry was just less conducive to drawing out his batshit crazy?

He was always insane, it just wasn't as public. I'd back that up with this 2018 Wired piece: https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-tesla-life-inside-giga...

Ignoring everything else, if a manager at your company has coined a term like "Elon’s rage firings", I don't need to know anything else about the work environment.

I'd say Tesla/SpaceX achieve cool things not because of him, but despite of him.

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by agubelu »

nixcraft wrote: post #35
fabian2k wrote: post #18

The interesting parts it going to be how many people that are important to keeping Twitter running are going to quit in addition to the fired ones. It's not going to be a nice place to work for, so those people that are financially well off and those that can get good jobs somewhere else are probably considering their options right now.

The whole thing could have been avoided if Twitter/Elon had done it step-by-step instead of terminating staff in bulk. Everyone in tech is reducing headcount, but Elon likes to do stuff on a grand scale. He needs a human Twitter firewall (social media team who can say "NO") to verify each Tweet before sending it, causing chaos every day. But what do I know? I have never been CEO, so I have no idea.

Well, apparently being a CEO isn't that demanding, considering that you can be CEO of three pretty big companies at the same time and still find some free time to shitpost on Twitter.

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by qikInNdOutReply »

simonh wrote: post #53
garbagetime wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How has he mismanaged it?

Firstly by signing a contract, changing his mind and then being forced to fulfil the contract by a court. By alienating a lot of prominent Tweeters and advertisers. Now by sacking a load of people it turns out he needs.

Also by not having a vision, by not having a idea were he can Moist von Lipwig this, so just using the reminder of his more stupid moments as a punching bag.

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by strken »

chris_wot wrote: post #6

My strong advice is: take the severance package and go somewhere else. It ain’t going to be a good place to work. Any place that can “accidentally” fire you is a place you should stay away from.

Some of them can probably finagle their way into a short-term contract at 5x the previous hourly rate. I'd honestly be tempted.

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by Sakos »

pg314 wrote: post #66
Sakos wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the guy who managed to launch Starlink and currently runs the most successful/effective space launch provider, it's so bizarre seeing him fumble Twitter so badly. Has something changed about him or has he always been this way and the space industry was just less conducive to drawing out his batshit crazy?

>From the guy who managed to launch Starlink and currently runs the most successful/effective space launch provider, He is not running SpaceX, Gwynne Shotwell is. He’s just the part-time CEO, very adept at self-promoting.

Shotwell must be a fucking wizard to be running SpaceX so well despite Elon then.

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by grecy »

Laaas wrote: post #71
grecy wrote: post #48

So I've seen every news agency on the planet run this story, and they either cite each other in a huge circle, or they cite "people familiar with the matter". Do we have 100% concrete first-hand documented evidence this actually happened to more than -let's say- 10 people? Somehow, I highly doubt it.

It seems to me that unfortunately there's a lot of "tesla man bad" going around, causing dubious stories to be spread before they're verified. You'll also see lots of people claiming Musk somehow broke employment law by not giving notice of termination, which is unproven, and in direct contradiction with what he tweeted himself (he said everyone gets ~90 days of salary IIRC).

Painting him as reckless and stupid and like he doesn't know what he's doing is a great way to sink TSLA.

I certainly don't agree with everything he has said and done, though I can't help but be skeptical people are just jumping on the bandwagon without any concrete evidence/details.

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by qikInNdOutReply »

taffronaut wrote: post #34
Traubenfuchs wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I just really don’t understand how this whole situation has been this badly mismanaged. You and almost the whole world. There are still some people left believing him to play some kind of genius 4D chess. Same thing happens for Trump and Ye.

Maybe Thiel is playing the 4D chess in the run up to 2024 and Musk is on board as a very effective distraction who thinks he's the central player.

Ever since thiel datamined humanitys true nature out of facebooks data he and all his associated are in full catastrophe fallback mode. If a decline to authoriatarian rule can not be prevented, at least make it controlled.

Its also a visible background pattern in almost all larger tech investment - build technology that can not be used for exponential damage in the wrong hands and make humanity resilient to catastrophic change.

Example: Youtube videos containg tutorials that survive all of humanity dieing of that knew a certain technology.

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by zaarn »

potro wrote: post #19

Are these fired workers really fired from legal perspective? Or they are suspended and informed that their employment contract will end on Feb 2nd?

Atleast where I live, when you fire someone that's it. They're fired. Even if they still work for 60 days because that's the minimum notice period. The only way to reinstitute the contract is if both sides sign a new contract to overwrite the termination. And this can be used to amend the employment contract too.

So where I live, you'd be in a prime position to negotiate better paychecks because without both employee and employer agreeing, a termination has finality.

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by carabiner »

Laaas wrote: post #71
grecy wrote: post #48

So I've seen every news agency on the planet run this story, and they either cite each other in a huge circle, or they cite "people familiar with the matter". Do we have 100% concrete first-hand documented evidence this actually happened to more than -let's say- 10 people? Somehow, I highly doubt it.

It seems to me that unfortunately there's a lot of "tesla man bad" going around, causing dubious stories to be spread before they're verified. You'll also see lots of people claiming Musk somehow broke employment law by not giving notice of termination, which is unproven, and in direct contradiction with what he tweeted himself (he said everyone gets ~90 days of salary IIRC).

I can't emphasize how strongly news outlets zero-in on topics that might be inflammatory with almost algorithmic precision. When Roe v. Wade was overturned, there was a story about some Amazon SWE's celebrating the outcome. It's a perfect blend of "Amazon bad + perennial political topic." Amazon has 70,000 software engineers; if some of them weren't politically conservative I'd be very surprised.
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