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Re: Barilla passive cooker

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Bringing 5+ quarts of water to a boil takes a lot of energy. Hell, it takes my jetboil 90s-120s to boil low-temp water in like...1 quart quantities. It doesn't seem unreasonable to me that a large pot of water takes 8-10 minutes to bring to a rolling boil.

You don't need to cook pasta in a lot of water. Just enough to cover the pasta is fine.

Right. And in fact, it's better that way. There's more starch in the water, which makes it more useful when you add some to the sauce in your sauce pan.

What, you don't finish your pasta by heating it with the sauce??? Hang your head in shame.

Re: Barilla passive cooker

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A better way to save energy is to use an electric kettle to get the water up to boiling. This is about three times as energy-efficient as a gas hob. Combined with passive cooking it could save real money… Technology Connections on YouTube has a good video about how electric kettles are the superior way to boil water: https://youtu.be/_yMMTVVJI4c

No it's not. The most efficient (and fastest) way is an induction hob with copper disc pan. Something that Technology Connections didn't include in his video. See some test here: https://youtu.be/EBlyuahlplI

Where's the energy loss from the kettle that's not present in your proposed method? Legit asking, I don't see it. Just heat radiating from the body of the kettle for longer cuz of longer time to make it boil?

Re: Barilla passive cooker

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Americans largely don't use electric kettles because Americans largely don't drink tea at home and thus don't use kettles as often as the rest of the world. Most households I know don't even own a kettle. Not a stovetop one, not an electric one. If you were to ask most Americans why they don't have an electric kettle at home they won't say "because I only have 120V outlets in the kitchen." They'll say it is because t…

You sure? Germany is a (shit) coffee country and everybody has had electric kettles since the 90s.

Lots of Americans drink kind of shit coffee as well, they just largely drink it from drip coffee makers. Alternative brewing methods like french press, aero press, pour over, etc. is starting to become more popular but is definitely still not a predominant way of doing it. And even then, the really bougie people will just have an instant boiler tap in their kitchen instead of taking up counter space with something that takes longer to get hot water.

Re: Barilla passive cooker

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The claim: reduces CO₂e emissions by up to 80%* The asterisk: water boiling phase excluded When I boil pasta, I use full heat to get the water boiling, drop in the pasta, then let it come back up to a boil, then drop the temperature as low as possible to keep a slow boil going--about medium-low. Guesstimating that the boil takes about as long as the time to cook the pasta, I'd say that the pasta cooking portion only…

A better way to save energy is to use an electric kettle to get the water up to boiling. This is about three times as energy-efficient as a gas hob. Combined with passive cooking it could save real money… Technology Connections on YouTube has a good video about how electric kettles are the superior way to boil water: https://youtu.be/_yMMTVVJI4c

> This is about three times as energy-efficient as a gas hob.

I sincerely doubt this figure in cases where electricity is generated from fossil fuels in the first place.

For example, I lived in the Netherlands where 80% of electricity is still produced by fossil fuels, mostly in gas-fired power plants. As I understand it, generating electricity from gas has an efficiency of only about 50%. That means you lose a lot of energy before it even arrives in your home.

An electric kettle has an efficiency of about 80%, with gas stove around 40%. Assuming the cost of transportation is approximately equal for gas and electricity, that means using the gas stove is about as efficient as using the electric kettle, if you assume (most of) the electricity comes from a gas-fired plant.

In the winter, the gas stove will be more efficient since all the heat that doesn't go into your food, heats up the room (heating is typically also based on gas in the Netherlands, so this is basically free energy).

> Combined with passive cooking it could save real money

Again, I don't think this is true. Currently the energy market is fucked up because of the Ukraine war, but up to recently a cubic meter of gas cost around 1 euro, which produces roughly 10 kWh of energy, versus a kWh of electricity cost around 40 cents. That means that on a per-kWh basis, gas costs only a quarter of electricity. So even if the electric kettle is twice as efficient as the gas stove, it is still twice as expensive.

In countries where most electricity is generated by burning coal (like Poland, for example) there is also an environmental cost, since coal-fired plants emit more CO2 per joule than gas-fired plants.

YMMV based on local energy prices obviously, but I don't think it's straightforwardly true that electric kettles are always more efficient or more environmentally friendly than gas stoves, if you look at it holistically.

Re: Barilla passive cooker

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You sure? Germany is a (shit) coffee country and everybody has had electric kettles since the 90s.

What do they use the kettles for? For most non tea drinking households in the US there is no essential use for a kettle. They do sell them here, people buy them, they are usually tea drinkers.

To perhaps state the obvious, I use mine mainly for coffee. And the occasional tea cup.

Re: Barilla passive cooker

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Americans don't really do electric kettles, largely on account of using 110V mains, which limits power to around 1100W, making it a lot slower than ~2000W electric kettles in the 200+V world.

It’s not that slow. 1. They sell plenty of kettles in the US (touch grass and go to Target sometime or something) - a large portion of those sales are probably to Asian households. It is simply that if you have a drip coffee maker and don’t drink much tea why do you need a kettle. No idea where this dumb myth comes from - kettles are not hard to find in the US, they work fine - there is a ton of demand it is just rel…

They're found in most college dorm rooms.

Re: Barilla passive cooker

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Guesstimating that the boil takes about as long as the time to cook the pasta, You need an new stove. Edit: or a new pot

Bringing 5+ quarts of water to a boil takes a lot of energy. Hell, it takes my jetboil 90s-120s to boil low-temp water in like...1 quart quantities. It doesn't seem unreasonable to me that a large pot of water takes 8-10 minutes to bring to a rolling boil.

More than a gallon? That's a big batch of spaghetti - it stands to reason that if you're feeding a great multitude, there's going to be a cost in cooking fuel.

Re: Barilla passive cooker

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In the US, when it comes to Italian food, there's a lot of "you must prepare it this particular way or else Nonna will burst out of her grave and flog you with a pappardelle whip" discourse. With that in mind, it's kind of fascinating comparing the en-US and en-GB Barilla websites. The GB site emphasizes sustainability ("100% Plastic Free", a page on sustainable basil farming, this Passive Cooking thing), while the U…

I hope the pasta in the US is plastic free too!

In the US, Barilla pasta boxes (and most other brands) have a small plastic window so you can see what the pasta looks like. The UK website is promoting the fact that they recently removed those windows from the UK packaging.

Re: Barilla passive cooker

#150
I've cooked a lot of pasta in my life and most pasta will be fine in usually 1/3 to 1/4th the typical amount of water, though often better with frequent stirring to prevent the pasta from sticking together (which is the reason for the large amounts of water and boiling water in the first place).

If you're heating up 1.5 quarts (instead of a gallon) for pasta you're saving almost 3x the energy for the initial heating.

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