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Mastodon's founder has a vision to democratize social media

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Re: Mastodon's founder has a vision to democratize social media

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Yes, when I say scalable, I mean ability to scale without having to spend bucketloads on new servers. Many of the mastodon servers I am seeing pause new registration/break down are at a few thousand members, maybe 8k max. I dont know how Mastodon is implemented, but my intuition is that a well written C++, Rust, or even Java service should be able to handle that many users on a single instance.

It's Ruby on Rails, which is the second slowest web framework I would consider reasonable for production use (after Django).

Ah, it is all beginning to make sense now.

Re: Mastodon's founder has a vision to democratize social media

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Who should decide it for you then? Did someone mention blockchain already? But seriously though, if you start to make it more distributed than it already is it will look even less like Twitter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tox_(protocol)

Most users don't care how distributed it is, or what it's architecture looks like. They just want to sign up, and get an out-of-the box experience more or less like twitter.

If they don't care, then they should stay on Twitter. There isn't a better option right now than Mastodon/ActivityPub.

Re: Mastodon's founder has a vision to democratize social media

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How do I follow a server with an account on a different server? I don’t want to register on multiple servers since it’s a hassle…

not sure what you mean by "follow a server"? You can interact with/follow people on other servers from yours.

Each server has a local timeline. Some are visible to non-subscribers, some are not.

I’m on fosstodon which has this as the local timeline.

https://fosstodon.org/web/public/local

On many servers I can do the obvious substitution to see that server’s local timeline. I don’t think I’ve seen any servers that link that from their top level page.

Re: Mastodon's founder has a vision to democratize social media

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I really want to like Mastodon, and every few years I make an attempt to join. But then, I am faced with the decision of choosing a server - if I like cooking and golf, do I join the cooking server or the golf server? What if I choose wrong ? - and the choice overload makes me just give up. And even if I really joined, then apparently my server's administrator would be able to silently prevent me from seeing other "e…

How is that different from email though? Email providers will block whole swaths of IPs without telling you but you don't really notice it because it's very likely those IPs are only being used maliciously. We're in a weird time right now though. Most people choose an email provider based on word of mouth or what their friends use but not enough people know about Mastodon to make that possible. Maybe Mastodon itself…

>Email providers will block whole swaths of IPs without telling you but you don't really notice it because it's very likely those IPs are only being used maliciously.

Most blocked instances in Mastodon are typically not being blocked for being malicious instances, but instead because they don't like the kind of tweets that are from there. Email servers are typically much more neutral and block IPs mostly to prevent spam instead of because they disagree with the speech contained in the emails originating from that IP.

Re: Mastodon's founder has a vision to democratize social media

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I dont think Mastodon will gain mainstream adoption because of the naming, and they call messages "Toots". Normal people will baulk at the branding of it all.

I remember complaining the “iPad” sounded like a menstrual product. Seemed to do fine.

"pad" without the "i" was already accepted as a term for something you write on e.g., "pen and pad"

I'm pretty confident that you can ask someone for a pad for writing, without thinking at all about hygiene products, but you can't even hear the toot of a horn without thinking of a fart.

Re: Mastodon's founder has a vision to democratize social media

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I really want to like Mastodon, and every few years I make an attempt to join. But then, I am faced with the decision of choosing a server - if I like cooking and golf, do I join the cooking server or the golf server? What if I choose wrong ? - and the choice overload makes me just give up. And even if I really joined, then apparently my server's administrator would be able to silently prevent me from seeing other "e…

> apparently my server's administrator would be able to silently prevent me from seeing other "enemy" servers' messages, and they could even read my DMs.

There's an interesting problem here - how do you know that your server's software and configuration hasn't been modified in a way that subtly lets these things happen?

I've always wanted a PaaS, operated by a too-big-to-make-exceptions security-hardened company (here's looking at you, Google!), that lets you deploy any image or set of images, but has a centrally managed ingress that ensures that the only access is over HTTPS (so no direct access to any requisitioned databases) and furthermore reports a hash of the image(s) as an HTTP response header with every single response, with no way to change or suppress this

You could then have, say, a Mastodon implementation that also reports all appropriate central configuration (say, blocklists, or disabling the ability of users to port out) at a public endpoint, and, importantly, is trusted to report that accurately, because you could validate what code it's running via the HTTP response. You could audit that security updates are being applied, that nobody is running a fork that gives them access to your DMs, and, if Mastodon gave visibility into this, you could also validate whether administrators all have 2FA enabled and how many of them there are (and hold your server admins to account socially).

Of course, you do have to trust the PaaS provider not to make exceptions to the rules, but no more so than we currently trust any certificate authority.

Does anyone know if anything like this exists right now?

Re: Mastodon's founder has a vision to democratize social media

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The uptick of interest in Mastodon due to Musk buying Twitter doesn’t make sense. Only the left is angry about the acquisition. The right is gleeful. What the left is angry and the right is gleeful about is the idea that Musk is a “free speech absolutist” and might unban Donald Trump and other right wing / fascist media personalities. Guess what: in the fediverse, it would never have been possible to ban Trump in the…

You might want to look at what happened when Gab switched to Mastodon, and/or when Trump basically made a Mastodon server called "Truth Social", which was some years ago...

(Note also that you are not much of a (societal) liberal if you don't value freedom of speech. But therefore this isn't so much of a left vs right than a top vs bottom issue...)

Re: Mastodon's founder has a vision to democratize social media

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Who should decide it for you then? Did someone mention blockchain already? But seriously though, if you start to make it more distributed than it already is it will look even less like Twitter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tox_(protocol)

Most users don't care how distributed it is, or what it's architecture looks like. They just want to sign up, and get an out-of-the box experience more or less like twitter.

If Mastodon was fully centralized like Twitter and offered that experience, it would need an immense source of funding, and need ads, and shareholders, and would be losing money rapidly until some billionare bought it out... like Twitter.

Mastodon is built so that there is no single point of failure, but that means users have no single point of signup. It is like email, or matrix. Host your own on your own domain for a few dollars a month or join a friendly server paying the bill for you.

It is really not that hard, but people are just not used to having choices on the internet anymore.

At some point someone you know picked Twitter and you did too. Maybe find some friends or public figures you like on Mastodon and see what server they are on.

Re: Mastodon's founder has a vision to democratize social media

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And yet, lots of people are on there at this moment just having fun. Even if it doesn’t last, oh well. These complaints remind me of the famous dropbox comment, as well as this xkcd: https://xkcd.com/359/

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Re: Mastodon's founder has a vision to democratize social media

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Twitter is a great place for creatives to pitch their shows and get scooped up into a studio if you can put out some high-quality work. Mastodon doesn't seem like it has any solid use case to that end. Craig McCracken, the creator of PPG and Fosters Home has consistently used his Twitter following to boost other creatives by retweeting their work and LaikaStudios has been a great place to see BTS work on their stop-m…

"Craig McCracken, the creator of PPG and Fosters Home has consistently used his Twitter following to boost other creatives by retweeting their work"

This is exactly how Mastodon works.

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