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Mastodon's founder has a vision to democratize social media

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Re: Mastodon's founder has a vision to democratize social media

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post #146

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If there's no wrong answer between Gmail and Outlook, why must you choose one of them?

You have a good analogy attempt there, but you didn't quite nail it I think, because Outlook is also an email client. It's more like if someone asked why they need to choose between someone@gmail.com address or someone@outlook.com, but in reality email would work just fine regardless. EDIT: fixed

Except for all the people with outlook.com addresses.

Re: Mastodon's founder has a vision to democratize social media

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I dont think Mastodon will gain mainstream adoption because of the naming, and they call messages "Toots". Normal people will baulk at the branding of it all.

I like the name Mastodon!

masto- : a combining form meaning “breast,” used in the formation of compound words: mastopathy.

It sounds like the sister site of Phallodon.

-Don

Re: Mastodon's founder has a vision to democratize social media

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Allowed to tweet things that are objectively against the rules if they politically lean a certain way. Outsized attention given to harmless shitposting at Hollywood actors while Iranian terrorists are allowed to post propaganda unchecked despite reports. Selective application of rules against things like "hacked content" used against certain politicians and organizations with certain political leanings but not others…

Do you have proof of this?

I sure do. One day I might write up a full article on it, but this is the summary you asked for.

In the meantime I would ask you to remember that HN is not a journal, a debate stage, or an encyclopedia article, instead it is an informal discussion on the internet. As such, participants are allowed to recount things from memory.

Re: Mastodon's founder has a vision to democratize social media

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I really want to like Mastodon, and every few years I make an attempt to join. But then, I am faced with the decision of choosing a server - if I like cooking and golf, do I join the cooking server or the golf server? What if I choose wrong ? - and the choice overload makes me just give up. And even if I really joined, then apparently my server's administrator would be able to silently prevent me from seeing other "e…

Also, besides choosing a server, how do you figure out which other servers that server "federates" with or blocks entirely?

Many Mastodon servers list which other instances they block or limit. Check out the "Moderated servers" list at the bottom of https://mastodon.social/about

Re: Mastodon's founder has a vision to democratize social media

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I really want to like Mastodon, and every few years I make an attempt to join. But then, I am faced with the decision of choosing a server - if I like cooking and golf, do I join the cooking server or the golf server? What if I choose wrong ? - and the choice overload makes me just give up. And even if I really joined, then apparently my server's administrator would be able to silently prevent me from seeing other "e…

The people come first, not the technology. I didn't really start using Twitter until I first knew some people I wanted to communicate with. It will be the same with Mastodon, or whatever. Then the choice of server will become much simpler. Until then, I'm not moving from Twitter. Sure I'm using Twitter less these days, due to the chaos, but I'm not joining anything else until I see where others are going.

Does that make me a sheeple? Yes, it does. Sue me.

Re: Mastodon's founder has a vision to democratize social media

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Centralized systems are very dangerous, moderation is a huge problem and has a massive chilling effect. I support civil discourse and disagreements, I actively want to see both sides and not just an echo chamber. We all have different beliefs and the only way to move forward as society is to foster open and honest conversation. This is especially applicable to politically correct language and culture. Some things are…

> We all have different beliefs and the only way to move forward as society is to foster open and honest conversation.

This presupposes every "belief" and discussion is in good faith. It also presupposes that there's no second order effects from the amplification of "beliefs". A bigot is not interested in learning about whatever it is they're bigoted against. They just want to amplify their message. Trolls and shit posters just want to troll and shit post.

If you eliminate moderation then all you'll get is people using your platform to scream at everyone else. Assuming everyone is interested in actual conversation is childishly naïve.

Re: Mastodon's founder has a vision to democratize social media

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Just a small note, you can't really choose wrong because you can participate across the fediverse, with other "servers", and even non-mastodon federated social media. However if it irks one to join a specific community, there does exist general purpose instances.

If I can’t choose wrong then why am I forced to choose at all? The user experience doesn’t add up.

The "not choosing" option is to run your own instance.

You are forced to chose because there is not a central blessed server that acts as a main hub.

Re: Mastodon's founder has a vision to democratize social media

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Mastodon can scale, but it costs money. Most instances are hosted by people out of an interest to do good. Servers cost money... And for F/OSS project there aren't big pocket investors ... only funds, grants and hopefully donations.

Yes, when I say scalable, I mean ability to scale without having to spend bucketloads on new servers. Many of the mastodon servers I am seeing pause new registration/break down are at a few thousand members, maybe 8k max. I dont know how Mastodon is implemented, but my intuition is that a well written C++, Rust, or even Java service should be able to handle that many users on a single instance.

Twitter makes -200m a year hosting their solution.

Mastodon by contrast spreads out this load to servers paid for by users, not by ads.

If you cannot join any servers, pay for a managed hosting provider to spin one up, or host yourself on a vps or a home server.

Re: Mastodon's founder has a vision to democratize social media

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I really want to like Mastodon, and every few years I make an attempt to join. But then, I am faced with the decision of choosing a server - if I like cooking and golf, do I join the cooking server or the golf server? What if I choose wrong ? - and the choice overload makes me just give up. And even if I really joined, then apparently my server's administrator would be able to silently prevent me from seeing other "e…

Also, besides choosing a server, how do you figure out which other servers that server "federates" with or blocks entirely?

Live and learn? It astonishes me that people would get so worked up about the possibility that somebody somewhere is posting and you might not see it. Guess what? They're already posting today and you're not seeing their posts.

Re: Mastodon's founder has a vision to democratize social media

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post #79

I really want to like Mastodon, and every few years I make an attempt to join. But then, I am faced with the decision of choosing a server - if I like cooking and golf, do I join the cooking server or the golf server? What if I choose wrong ? - and the choice overload makes me just give up. And even if I really joined, then apparently my server's administrator would be able to silently prevent me from seeing other "e…

Just a small note, you can't really choose wrong because you can participate across the fediverse, with other "servers", and even non-mastodon federated social media. However if it irks one to join a specific community, there does exist general purpose instances.

I haven't figured out this part. I joined the default server years ago. All of the other servers want a unique account, as I cannot login using my existing account.

How do I "participate across the fediverse" without creating one account per server? Is there a part of the UI I just haven't stumbled on yet?

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