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Re: EU Voice

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Post by ben_w »

Sargos wrote: post #108
johnywalks wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> whims of a private American corporation Exactly. Private corporations that adhere to US law and have demonstrated that they don't operate in good faith. Each country should control official channels of communication.

>Each country should control official channels of communication. I don't want to create 100 accounts to access each countries totally unique and special websites. It's a bad system and ultimately will lead to less discourse and not more.

Jes, kaj estas tre malfacila kie homoj diras kun lingvoj ce mi ne komprenas.

Do, ĉiuj homoj devas paroli Esperanton.

;)

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Post by BlueTemplar »

berkes wrote: post #81
seydor wrote: post #69

EDPS , the organization that hosts (?) this mastodon is funded with $20M from the EU budget. It employs 96 people (last data i could find). ( Obviously not just for mastodon) I d actually like to see something like a public funded mastodon, like we have public TV

In case people read this comment as "the EU is spending €20M on hosting a mastodon": no. The EDPS does a lot more. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Data_Protection_Sup...

People would ask if they can have a mastodon at home and how fluffy it is.

Re: EU Voice

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Post by 7steps2much »

Joeboy wrote: post #38
givemeethekeys wrote: post #30

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Cost of moderation would be significantly higher.

I've been wondering about the handling of PR / legal / moderation issues on The Fediverse. Surely if it becomes popular, those burdens will fall on the shoulders of well-intentioned volunteers who just wanted to run a server, who will generally be ill-equipped to deal with them? I guess it could be OK if you're running a small invite-only server for people you know, but not sure how it's going to work for larger inst…

Assuming the fediverse becomes popular enough there will no doubt be large websites that finance themselves with ads/subscriptions.

After all git is a decentralized system as well and big silos like GitHub exist.

Re: EU Voice

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Post by Vespasian »

Ecstatify wrote: post #115
simion314 wrote: post #86

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>I don't understand why the EU bothers wasting money on these initiatives. >Why don't they buy a considerable stake .... What? instead of investing in a server and some open source code we should bive Elon a few millions? Are you Elon or how does this logic work ? News websites can link to twitter or any other website as easily , is not like the average EU citizens is actually following any EU institutions (no idea a…

It's not about the cost of the service, it's that it's a pointless endeavour it's never going to succeed. Every social media company succeeds or fails based on the network effect. Where did I mention Elon?

A mastodon instance like this does not need to be "successful" in order stay online.

People are interested in what the government has to say and mostly multipliers (aka Journalists) are reading the actual news.

It's good to have a accessible publication Plattform that is not subject to US policies (private or public ones), just in case the environment in Twitter gets undesirable.

I assume running this servers costs roughly nothing and they can shut it down at any time.

Re: EU Voice

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Post by zajio1am »

amadeuspagel wrote: post #51
mqus wrote: post #46

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It's federation. You also wouldn't expect every citizen to get an @europarl.europa.eu e-mail-adress. The platform is decentralised by design, so just by joining, the EU is contributing to "providing a platform" imho.

I don't see why the EU shouldn't give every citizen an @europa.eu email address.

Because there is no reason to do so? Providing e-mail address is service successfully provided by private sector, no need to use public money to destroy competition in private sector and centralise a service to one provider.

Most of EU engagement in digital services is to encourage market sector, not replace it with a public monopoly (see e.g. eIDAS).

Re: EU Voice

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Post by yrgulation »

piva00 wrote: post #106
yrgulation wrote: post #102

The EU and any political organisation need to stay away from our social networks.

That's why they are introducing their own federated server to keep their communications under their own corner of the internet instead of your social network.

I already tried at least one mastodon server where the eu was present even if it shouldn't have been. It’s not their business to establish propaganda channels subsidised by tax payers. They should focus on solving democracy within its existing institutions first.

Re: EU Voice

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Post by Ecstatify »

JadeNB wrote: post #120
Ecstatify wrote: post #115

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It's not about the cost of the service, it's that it's a pointless endeavour it's never going to succeed. Every social media company succeeds or fails based on the network effect. Where did I mention Elon?

> It's not about the cost of the service, it's that it's a pointless endeavour it's never going to succeed. Every social media company succeeds or fails based on the network effect. I think that's a valid concern if your main goal is to create a social network, but less so if you're trying to create a reliable and trustworthy organ for government communication. > Where did I mention Elon? This: > > Why don't they buy…

Disingenuous, huh? previous poster interpreted "buy a considerable stake in these American social media companies" as give Elon Musk money.

Re: EU Voice

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Post by miohtama »

olivierduval wrote: post #110

Sadly, as usual with Europe, a really good idea and... a very poor marketing! Mastodon is supposed to be a kind of Twitter replacement... so why not using the "public timeline" ( https://social.network.europa.eu/public ) as the landing page??? It would allow everybody to see that mastodon is not more complicated than twitter and would be more interesting than https://social.network.europa.eu/about/more or even https:…

Because the EU officials and subcontracted party do not have incentive make the product attractive.

- There is no monetary incentive for developers based on the success of the product. Close proximity with the EU is enough to win the likely overpriced government contract, which is either a fixed price or by-the-hour.

- The EU officials themselves rarely have ambitions or talent to make any good web services. Your success as a government officer does not depend on the success of a software product, but is based on political alignments and taking least risk of not screwing up.

Re: EU Voice

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Post by JadeNB »

Ecstatify wrote: post #127
JadeNB wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's not about the cost of the service, it's that it's a pointless endeavour it's never going to succeed. Every social media company succeeds or fails based on the network effect. I think that's a valid concern if your main goal is to create a social network, but less so if you're trying to create a reliable and trustworthy organ for government communication. > Where did I mention Elon? This: > > Why don't they buy…

Disingenuous, huh? previous poster interpreted "buy a considerable stake in these American social media companies" as give Elon Musk money.

> previous poster interpreted "buy a considerable stake in these American social media companies" as give Elon Musk money.

Which social-media companies did you mean? If Twitter is among them, then that is, at least indirectly, giving Musk money; and, if not, then it's hard to see how buying that stake would help to ensure communications reliability, since Twitter seems to be much more common than any other American social-media company as an organ of government communication.

Re: EU Voice

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Post by Ecstatify »

drstewart wrote: post #97
jacooper wrote: post #85

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> I don't understand why the EU bothers wasting money on these initiatives Because they don't cost much? If at all? > Why don't they buy a considerable stake in these American social media companies instead of trying to reinvent the wheel that is deflating as soon as it launches. Because if they did, the US is going to freak out about foreign influence. just look at how the media is reporting on Saudi Arabia investin…

>the US is going to freak out about foreign influence The irony of posing this as hysterical considering 99% of this thread is people saying "Good! The EU shouldn't be dependent on foreign influences!!"

The Norwegian pension fund already owns roughly 1% of many of the large tech giants, not sure what percentage would cause the US to start freaking out, especially as the EU is a close ally.

Meta Platforms Inc 1.01%

Twitter 0.89%

Alphabet Inc 0.85%

Apple Inc 0.84%

Amazon.com Inc 0.81%

reference: https://www.nbim.no/en/the-fund/investments/#/2021/investmen...

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