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New Long March 5B Uncontrolled Reentry Tracked by Aerospace's Experts

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Re: New Long March 5B Uncontrolled Reentry Tracked by Aerospace's Experts

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It is a calculated risk; perhaps similar to what have been done by the US and Russia when their space ambitions were at their highest.

You really should learn more about the history of the US program before making such ill informed statements.

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Re: New Long March 5B Uncontrolled Reentry Tracked by Aerospace's Experts

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I also think there is a somewhat hyperbolic anti-China sentiment in the commentary on all of this. Plus a perhaps frustration at the US Space authorities on the lack of communication from their Chinese counterpart, something of course they themselves are entirely to blame for. Anyway; the Chinese have done a few of these "uncontrolled reentries" now. All crashing into the ocean; so they are either very lucky or it is…

Is there anything wrong with being anti PRC?

PRC != China or Chinese

Re: New Long March 5B Uncontrolled Reentry Tracked by Aerospace's Experts

#34
post #19

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Neither. There just isn't that big a fraction of the earth's surface that's inhabited. You should regard this similarly to someone firing a gun into the air.

If you fired a gun into the air in the UK I'm pretty sure that a) You'd get in pretty serious trouble for it by itself and b) if you killed or injured someone that trouble would be significantly multiplied to the extent you'd end up in prison. I think it would be a manslaughter charge.

In most areas of the US recklessly discharging a firearm into the air would also get you in serious trouble (even in rural areas) along with a (lesser) murder charge if you killed someone.

FWIW, according to a study published by the National Library of Medicine, "celebratory gunfire" accounts for 4.6% of all stray bullet-related deaths and injuries:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22743389/

Re: New Long March 5B Uncontrolled Reentry Tracked by Aerospace's Experts

#35
post #28

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It is a calculated risk; perhaps similar to what have been done by the US and Russia when their space ambitions were at their highest.

The US and Russia didn't do this. Both space programs either used upper stages to boost into orbit or were small enough to burn up on reentry. The Long March 5B has a giant rocket 20 metric ton that is too big to burn up and falls to Earth in an uncontrolled fashion.

I was referring to them taking calculated risks; not doing exactly the same thing.

Re: New Long March 5B Uncontrolled Reentry Tracked by Aerospace's Experts

#36
post #30

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You’re down into single digit percentage by the time n hits 7 in that case. What are we at, 4th re-entry? So 25% chance it lands in water given your formula. Given Chinese superstitions around the number 4, let’s hope this one has a safe and wet splashdown.

That’s not how the stats work. There’s a 71% chance it lands in water this time (and every time). If you flip heads 3 times in a row, it doesn’t mean you’re more likely to flip tails next time.

My understanding is that this is more of the equivalent of making sure you land on heads all 3 times. In that case it’s a 1/8th on 3 coin flips, no?

Re: New Long March 5B Uncontrolled Reentry Tracked by Aerospace's Experts

#37
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US and Russia didn't do this. Both space programs either used upper stages to boost into orbit or were small enough to burn up on reentry. The Long March 5B has a giant rocket 20 metric ton that is too big to burn up and falls to Earth in an uncontrolled fashion.

I was referring to them taking calculated risks; not doing exactly the same thing.

Dumping 20 tons of metal from orbit isn't a "calculated risk" its sloppy and dangerous. They could have built the rocket using 50 years of experience knowing this could be an issue, instead they just lie and say it will burn up. They already dropped one on a village.

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Ah, the good old “whatabout the US did it 50 years ago therefore we can do it today”. Also used to justify all sorts of atrocities, imperialism, IP theft, etc.

I also think there is a somewhat hyperbolic anti-China sentiment in the commentary on all of this. Plus a perhaps frustration at the US Space authorities on the lack of communication from their Chinese counterpart, something of course they themselves are entirely to blame for. Anyway; the Chinese have done a few of these "uncontrolled reentries" now. All crashing into the ocean; so they are either very lucky or it is…

One of them hit Côte d’Ivoire.

Re: New Long March 5B Uncontrolled Reentry Tracked by Aerospace's Experts

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Ah, the good old “whatabout the US did it 50 years ago therefore we can do it today”. Also used to justify all sorts of atrocities, imperialism, IP theft, etc.

I also think there is a somewhat hyperbolic anti-China sentiment in the commentary on all of this. Plus a perhaps frustration at the US Space authorities on the lack of communication from their Chinese counterpart, something of course they themselves are entirely to blame for. Anyway; the Chinese have done a few of these "uncontrolled reentries" now. All crashing into the ocean; so they are either very lucky or it is…

That is just a bold faced lie that 2 seconds of googling would prove you wrong.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/11/china-keeps-dropping...

https://www.newsweek.com/photos-show-rocket-debris-india-chi...

Anyway; I don’t know if you are an Astro turfing troll or just that brainwashed.

Re: New Long March 5B Uncontrolled Reentry Tracked by Aerospace's Experts

#40
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was referring to them taking calculated risks; not doing exactly the same thing.

Dumping 20 tons of metal from orbit isn't a "calculated risk" its sloppy and dangerous. They could have built the rocket using 50 years of experience knowing this could be an issue, instead they just lie and say it will burn up. They already dropped one on a village.

> They already dropped one on a village.

That sounds pretty serious. Was there any official investigation or just ambiguous pictures posted on social media?

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