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Re: EU Voice

#41

Post by ulgrt »

piva00 wrote: post #4
tpartcv wrote: post #2

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It's thoroughly exhausting to read this kind of comment. It's pedantic and soapboxing at the same time, the two worst types of comments I come across in HN. > I was under the impression that the above entities already have the largest megaphone of all through the uncritical mainstream press. Where do you get this impression that the mainstream press/media is uncritical of the EU? The EU is a large body, obviously the…

It is easy to ask general, somewhat self-righteous questions here and elsewhere without providing any answers. That the comment you respond to has been censored does not make it any less difficult.

In general, opinions about the mainstream press come from reading it for decades. No one can provide a "proof" that can be captured in a comment box. It seems to me that the issue is calling the platform "EU Voice", which should probably be for all people.

Re: EU Voice

#42

Post by Telemakhos »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #22

It always baffled me that so many governments relied on a private solution that only has 5% of the world population as users (Twitter) as the preferred mode of communication with their citizens. It's good to see a solution made by the government instead. The next step is to make it mandatory for officials to use this platform (and Twitter or Facebook in addition if they want to, I don't care) for all their official c…

Why replace press releases and web pages with a social microblog? "Official communication" sounds like something better handled in long-form reports than short notes jotted out into a social maelstrom of hot takes. Perhaps the next step might instead be to get government off social media altogether.

Re: EU Voice

#43

Post by iLoveOncall »

scotty79 wrote: post #37
iLoveOncall wrote: post #22

It always baffled me that so many governments relied on a private solution that only has 5% of the world population as users (Twitter) as the preferred mode of communication with their citizens. It's good to see a solution made by the government instead. The next step is to make it mandatory for officials to use this platform (and Twitter or Facebook in addition if they want to, I don't care) for all their official c…

I don't use Twitter but seen numerous tweets cited in all the other media I consume. Twitter is sort of backbone, fairly useless on it's own, but important for what it enables in wider context. It's not much weirder that people use private Twitter than that people use private google.

I'm not talking about people, I'm talking about government officials.

The fact that the British PM will post information, in his official capacity, on Twitter that will not be posted on gov.uk is ridiculous and should be illegal.

Re: EU Voice

#44

Post by iLoveOncall »

Telemakhos wrote: post #42
iLoveOncall wrote: post #22

It always baffled me that so many governments relied on a private solution that only has 5% of the world population as users (Twitter) as the preferred mode of communication with their citizens. It's good to see a solution made by the government instead. The next step is to make it mandatory for officials to use this platform (and Twitter or Facebook in addition if they want to, I don't care) for all their official c…

Why replace press releases and web pages with a social microblog? "Official communication" sounds like something better handled in long-form reports than short notes jotted out into a social maelstrom of hot takes. Perhaps the next step might instead be to get government off social media altogether.

Yes I totally agree with that, but this is already an improvement over a non-official communication channel.

Re: EU Voice

#45

Post by blitzar »

philjohn wrote: post #36
emaro wrote: post #28

This is great, it shows one of the strengths of the Fediverse. Official bodies can participate in social media without being dependent on a foreign, for-profit company. And you can read updates with a lot of different applications, be it Mastodon, Pleroma or the RSS reader of your choice.

And the journalist issue is solved by media companies having official servers under their domain.

This is exactly how the federated "twitter" should work.

Re: EU Voice

#46

Post by mqus »

amadeuspagel wrote: post #20

> EU Voice is open for registrations only to EU institutions, body and agencies. Disappointing. Better then nothing, but why not provide a platform for everyone, or at least every EU citizen?

It's federation. You also wouldn't expect every citizen to get an @europarl.europa.eu e-mail-adress. The platform is decentralised by design, so just by joining, the EU is contributing to "providing a platform" imho.

Re: EU Voice

#47

Post by lock-the-spock »

chickenchicken wrote: post #11
notright5 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Incorrect. The EU is very serious. It’s as much serious as it possibly gets.

Starting salary as a contractor (temp up to 6 years) is just above 2000€

https://epso.europa.eu/en/help/faq/2228

For a permanent official it starts at around 5000€/m

https://euemployment.eu/ad-5-salary/

Not too outrageous for the expected skills (min 3 languages fluently, bachelor of specific profiles, long admissions procedure, etc) and the responsibility. Would be horrible if the jobs for the people writing Europe's laws and managing millions in funding were not attractive.

Re: EU Voice

#48

Post by piva00 »

ulgrt wrote: post #41
piva00 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's thoroughly exhausting to read this kind of comment. It's pedantic and soapboxing at the same time, the two worst types of comments I come across in HN. > I was under the impression that the above entities already have the largest megaphone of all through the uncritical mainstream press. Where do you get this impression that the mainstream press/media is uncritical of the EU? The EU is a large body, obviously the…

It is easy to ask general, somewhat self-righteous questions here and elsewhere without providing any answers. That the comment you respond to has been censored does not make it any less difficult. In general, opinions about the mainstream press come from reading it for decades. No one can provide a "proof" that can be captured in a comment box. It seems to me that the issue is calling the platform "EU Voice", which…

> It is easy to ask general, somewhat self-righteous questions here and elsewhere without providing any answers. That the comment you respond to has been censored does not make it any less difficult.

It's also easy to escape through a throwaway account while using my history against me, instead of answering the aforementioned "self-righteous" questions :)

Please, don't come with the tiresome "CENSORED!" call out, if people flagged/downvoted it then you should look at that as a signal.

> It seems to me that the issue is calling the platform "EU Voice", which should probably be for all people.

This is exactly the pedantry I call out in my comment, if that wasn't absolutely clear...

You are interpreting the name "EU Voice" to have the meaning you want and then beating this strawman.

> In general, opinions about the mainstream press come from reading it for decades. No one can provide a "proof" that can be captured in a comment box.

So you are stating it's... Just a feeling?

Re: EU Voice

#49

Post by johnywalks »

williamvds wrote: post #18

It's quite sensible really, why would you leave a method of disseminating official statements vulnerable to the whims of a private American corporation? Discussion still can and will be held on platforms not directly controlled by governments.

> whims of a private American corporation

Exactly. Private corporations that adhere to US law and have demonstrated that they don't operate in good faith.

Each country should control official channels of communication.

Re: EU Voice

#50

Post by ploum »

amadeuspagel wrote: post #20

> EU Voice is open for registrations only to EU institutions, body and agencies. Disappointing. Better then nothing, but why not provide a platform for everyone, or at least every EU citizen?

It is better to have an official instance just like you have official websites. It means that accounts on this instance are official, that you can take their words as official statement.

Having one big instance for every EU citizen is just political centralisation and is not a lot better than the economical one done by Twitter.

We have to unlearn that "everything centralized is good and the only way to go"

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