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Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter

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Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter

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Post by gjm11 »

trident5000 wrote: post #39
aquanext wrote: post #7

No thanks. I'm done with Jack and I'm done with Elon. Mastodon is great and it's already starting to feel like home. Don't need anymore drama from these reckless people.

Why does this feel so forced and astroturfed on this site and yet has essentially no traction

For what it's worth, it doesn't to me.

Discussing Mastodon is hardly "forced" when the overall topic is a new decentralized alternative to Twitter, since Mastodon is a decentralized alternative to Twitter that's been around for a while.

It seems unlikely that this is astroturf given that the person who posted it has been on HN for over a decade (though admittedly not super-active) and their comments are on a wide range of topics and not just Twitter or Mastodon.

Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter

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Post by systemvoltage »

trident5000 wrote: post #50
systemvoltage wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Musk's idea is to piss off 10% of the left and right of the spectrum and keep the middle 80% happy. The left 10% will hang out on Mastodon or Fediverse, the right 10% will go on Gab or whatever. I think what's happenning is great for all. You do you™.

Works for me. Getting these clowns off the main sites sounds wonderful.

The 20% has caused so much havoc in society, 80% needs to push back and make the world better.

Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

saghm wrote: post #46
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Centralization came out of pragmatism Sort of? Centralization is more profitable and easier than building new open internet protocols and formats.

Those are certainly more pragmatic than ideological concerns, which is the point GP was making.

And I agree. I just think monetization is the larger factor.

Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter

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Post by ithkuil »

potatototoo99 wrote: post #36
nullc wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bleh, I find your position is boring because it's so easily shown to be unworkable. Imagine there have a platform run as you suggest and I don't like what you're saying on it: I flood you and anyone that supports you with not-quite-illegal abuse, misinformation, non-sense, spam, false flag support from people with deplorable views. Copy-cats of you that take your positions but weakly argued or with a touch of added g…

There are quite a few websites with little or no moderation working just fine, like 4chan. But I honestly don't understand this whole argument. Twitter is a social network, you just need to only receive messages from your network or "friends of a friend". You can't have both a global network and get offended given the multitude of opinions and laws in the world. The problem seems to be less that people are offended b…

> There are quite a few websites with little or no moderation working just fine, like 4chan.

Even taking at face value what you just said, it doesn't logically follow that if having one or more places like 4chan is just fine, having online venues be like 4chan would be just fine as well.

Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter

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Post by dumpsterlid »

SamWhited wrote: post #28
mlindner wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mastodon is only free of issues because the masses haven't found it yet. Give it a few years and it'll be the same as or worse than twitter, given Mastodon's lack of moderation.

Mastodon doesn't have a lack of moderation, in fact, it's architecture tends to segregate people out into instances by interest, making it easy to moderate as long as you keep your instance small (most of the really bad stuff will be on a handful of instances that allow it, so you can just block them and only have to deal with the minor problems on your own instance). Mastodon also tends to have one or more moderator…

The key here is mastodon isn't a business, so moderation isn't entirely focused on being cheap. Mastodon, correctly in my opinion, identifies social networks as community resources not as entities to extraft profit from.

Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter

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Post by frizlab »

zajio1am wrote: post #40
cathdrlbizzare wrote: post #12

Decentralized means complicated and no regular people will use it.

Like no regular people use e-mail nor phones/SMS.

Indeed less and less people are using those. And when they do use email, they are using its centralized version, gmail.

Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter

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Post by tootie »

This is not a new Twitter. This is a new phpBB or something. Absent centralization you don't get the "town square" factor. In marketing parlance, you don't get "reach". And you avoid controversial moderation tactics by making it not your problem. Dorsey just cut bait and declared moderation and profitability to be impossible while watching Google pull off both. Even Zuckerberg is looking like a genius next to this guy.
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