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Re: Nadia Boulanger

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The article mentions her sister Lili, who most people have never heard of. Here are two beautiful short compositions she wrote at age 18 and 22. She died at 24. What a loss! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57ifMZotkh4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jguzDNqTX7s

My favorite of hers: "D'un vieux jardin" (https://youtu.be/VdmyYG_1F84). So elegantly crunchy!

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> How many notes are there?” Boulanger would ask. 12? 88? As many as could be imagined? The answer Boulanger sought was seven, the diatonic scale, to which everything else was an inflection or embellishment. That's a strange view I have never encountered before. In nature there's an infinite number of frequencies, and in the Western system of equal temperament, surely there are the 12 notes of the chromatic scale? To…

Not unusual, historical. The primality of the diatonic scale in Western music goes way back, and even now we use the language of the diatonic scale when trying to describe each of the twelve notes in our system. But it's more than just names: it's ingrained in the structure of our music as well, as to what notes and harmony are chosen.

In the early 20th c. a more expansive, what we call "atonal," form of music arose that used the chromatic scale without any particular referent to a diatonic system. Some music analysts and teachers even started to replace note names with note indices to avoid diatonic confusion. Atonal composition became popular among avant-garde and film composers in the mid-20th century, and is still with us. The diatonic system, though, has proved quite tough to kill off.

Re: Nadia Boulanger

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The word awe-inspiring is often used as a hyperbole, but in this case I really think it adequately describes Mlle. Boulanger. If you consider her influence over the 20th century, she surely ranks among the greatest pedagogues in the entire western classical tradition of music.

And of course, there are endless fascinating anecdotes from her pupils and colleagues. There's a video of Elliott Carter talking about how she used to sing and play through a Bach cantata every week with her students[1]. Charles Rosen, who served as a panelist together with her at a piano competition observed:

>Mlle. Boulanger did not, indeed, discuss the contestants, but she had ways of making her opinions known. When she was bored by a performance, she would compose canons. On a large piece of paper she had brought with her, she would rule several five-line staffs, and begin to invent some elaborate counterpoint. The implied comment was far more devastating than any words could have been.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz3PTNOVLuM

Re: Nadia Boulanger

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As a side note: I'm shocked at how good and serious the content is for a Red Bull sponsored project. I expected something very different.

There are a number of fantastic articles and videos throughout the site. Looking forward to digging through them.

Re: Nadia Boulanger

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> How many notes are there?” Boulanger would ask. 12? 88? As many as could be imagined? The answer Boulanger sought was seven, the diatonic scale, to which everything else was an inflection or embellishment. That's a strange view I have never encountered before. In nature there's an infinite number of frequencies, and in the Western system of equal temperament, surely there are the 12 notes of the chromatic scale? To…

> That's a strange view

Maybe, but the key arrangements on a piano sort of make the exact same point, don't they?

Re: Nadia Boulanger

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What a great article. And this is why I look at Hacker News: things like this that I'd never see otherwise.

> One suspects that it was Nadia who took on one of the charity’s more unusual services, that of reviewing and correcting soldiers’ counterpoint and harmony exercises

Only in France.

> ones remembered Boulanger offering holistic advice: “Quincy,” she told him, “your music can never be more or less than you are as a human being.”

Wow. I thought a jazz guy said this as "if you want to be a better musician, try being a better person" but I couldn't find it anywhere. Anyone?

Re: Nadia Boulanger

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> How many notes are there?” Boulanger would ask. 12? 88? As many as could be imagined? The answer Boulanger sought was seven, the diatonic scale, to which everything else was an inflection or embellishment. That's a strange view I have never encountered before. In nature there's an infinite number of frequencies, and in the Western system of equal temperament, surely there are the 12 notes of the chromatic scale? To…

> That's a strange view Maybe, but the key arrangements on a piano sort of make the exact same point, don't they?

Not really. White keys are only "proper notes" in the scale of C major (or Am); in other scales, notes can fall on black keys, modulated by white keys; and also, the modulation is sometimes above and sometimes below the note, depending on the scale, something that the keyboard doesn't emphasize or make visible in any way.

Re: Nadia Boulanger

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> How many notes are there?” Boulanger would ask. 12? 88? As many as could be imagined? The answer Boulanger sought was seven, the diatonic scale, to which everything else was an inflection or embellishment. That's a strange view I have never encountered before. In nature there's an infinite number of frequencies, and in the Western system of equal temperament, surely there are the 12 notes of the chromatic scale? To…

That is actually the way I think of notes in tonal music: You've got a root, a second, a third, … , a sixth and a seventh. But there are different kinds of each degree of the scale (apart from the root): the second could be minor or major or augmented (`sharp 9' is jazz lingo); the third could be major or minor etc. But you don't have to choose just one type of third or fifth etc. in a given piece of music (or part t…

Ah yes, it makes sense when put that way. (Yet most of the time in a melody, a note that is outside the scale doesn't much sound as an inflection but as "wrong". Whereas a small vibrato (oscillating around the proper pitch without going too far away) feels more like a true modulation. And a portamento can make use of frequencies that aren't even in the chromatic scale at all.)
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