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Re: TextMate 2 (Public) Alpha

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Post by e1ven »

frou_dh wrote: post #33
e1ven wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get why people think this is an editor feature, and not an OS feature. When I want to view two files at the same time, I open two windows, and put them side by side. Not everything needs to be fullscreen all-the-time. Let the OS manage windows. It's better at it! Besides, having windows automatically become half-maximized is easy with the right tools, like BetterTouchTool (Do it with a gesture!), or Divvy.

The OS isn't better at it if there is none or limited ability to manipulate the windows in a keyboard driven way. I use and love the 3rd party tool SizeUp, but SublimeText2's integrated pane management (including moving tabs between them) is far better than plain windows.

Can you help me understand how it's better? SizeUp looks perfect for something like this.

Want to view two files? Ctrl-right on one, it's now on the right side of the screen.

Command-O, chose the new file, Ctrl-left on it, it's now on the left side.

I'm honestly very curious what Sublime/etc offer that is better than what you can do with the OS?

Re: TextMate 2 (Public) Alpha

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Post by frou_dh »

daniel_sim wrote: post #9
peregrine wrote: post #4

In the mean time Sublime Text 2 has all of the Alpha features as well as cross platform support and support for TextMate bundles. You should really give it a shot if you haven't.

I'm sure I'm not the only textmate user who finds Sublime Text hideous. I'd sooner bite the bullet on vim if I'm going the ugly route.

This user made theme should be the default on ST2 for Mac as far as I'm concerned.

Cure for ST2 ugliness: https://github.com/buymeasoda/soda-theme

Re: TextMate 2 (Public) Alpha

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Post by dextorious »

daniel_sim wrote: post #20
durandal1 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sublime text is very clunky and has that very weird "UI app written in a scripting language feel" to it. I know that's not a value which is easy to quantify, but I think it's down to a slightly weird architecture and latency because of its heavy dependency on python.

That's kind of what I was referring to, likewise with Eclipse. Textmate has always been the polar opposite of whatever that feeling is.

Actually when I first tried TextMate, in the low 1.x versions, it felt like watching the grass grow between each character press and the glyph appearing on screen.

Probably a multi-ms delay due to regexes for syntax highlighting.

And TextMate is not designed like a standard OS X app, either.

Re: TextMate 2 (Public) Alpha

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Post by sirn »

emehrkay wrote: post #27
peregrine wrote: post #4

In the mean time Sublime Text 2 has all of the Alpha features as well as cross platform support and support for TextMate bundles. You should really give it a shot if you haven't.

Honestly, while Sublime is GREAT, it doesn't feel like a Mac app.

Have you try out Soda[1]? It makes Sublime Text 2 feel a lot more Mac-like for me.

[1]: https://github.com/buymeasoda/soda-theme

Re: TextMate 2 (Public) Alpha

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Post by weaksauce »

durandal1 wrote: post #8

Just tried it out and it's actually pretty awesome, especially considering it's an alpha. A real 2.0 in every sense. Tried Sublime Text 2 for a while but while the spec looks good on paper it feels clunky to use, even compared against TM 1.5. And with 2.0 it's completely blown out of the water. And for you vim/emacs promoters always jumping out of the dark: I use vim every day for a lot of tasks, and have done so for…

What about textmate makes it better for quick navigation over something like macvim with nerdtree and one of those project search tools like command-t? Curious on this one not being snarky. I like text mate for the find and replace that can do counts on matches to make sure you are getting the ballpark of matches correct, and incremental replace is nice too until you are satisfied with your search terms. Any way to do this in vim easily? Plugin? Other than that vim is way faster for me.

Re: TextMate 2 (Public) Alpha

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Post by reissbaker »

llambda wrote: post #24
jarin wrote: post #7

A lot of people I know switched from TextMate to vim because of the lengthy delay. After using vim for a couple of years now, it would be very hard to go back to TextMate.

From what I've gleaned, it sounds like (although I haven't been able to try the alpha myself) that TextMate is missing some crucial features, such as split screen functionality. After switching from TextMate to vim I'm almost certain I won't be able to switch back and especially not if stuff like that doesn't make it into the final release.

Modal editing is the killer feature for me -- and the lack of those special project files cluttering up everything. Even if TextMate had splitscreen, Vim used with the project-oriented NerdTree and BufExplorer plugins is a tough combination to beat for everyday hacking.

Sublime Text 2 with Vintage mode enabled comes close, but man does it clutter up your project folders.

Re: TextMate 2 (Public) Alpha

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Post by colomon »

andylei wrote: post #12
deweller wrote: post #2

Split views are coming. From the post: "Split views: Yes, I actually had this on the alpha milestone, I’m not overly excited about this feature myself, but I know it’s a very common request, so eventually it should find its way into the application."

> I’m not overly excited about this feature myself i don't understand this. how does he code only looking at one file at a time?

How do you code looking at two files at one time? What's the point?

I've been programming for nearly thirty years now. For the bulk of that time, I had an editor which allowed me to do split screens, and I used it maybe once a year. I switched to TextMate in 2008, and have never once missed having a split screen.

Re: TextMate 2 (Public) Alpha

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Post by jakr »

I can't believe the number of "oh screw this i'm using " comments sprinkled all over everything TM2 related these days.

It's as if people need to echo their personal choice every time TM is mentioned to give them a sense of reassurance that they made the right decision and to prevent themselves from relapsing back to TM.

I'm looking forward to see how TM2 progresses!

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