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Re: Linode Outage in Dallas, Fremont, Atlanta, Newark, and Toronto Data Centers

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Post by mekster »

tomxor wrote: post #90
mekster wrote: post #74

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DigitalOcean doesn't have much Asian presence, Linode's backup doesn't support non default file system like zfs, DO / Linode don't have HDD block storage like Vultr does (which I think is a hidden gem you can't realize until you go add one as it's not mentioned in the pricing page) that can be a very nice option to throw backup data in at 40GB/$. Vultr's CPU isn't as good as the other 2 by the look of sysbench, even…

> DO / Linode don't have HDD block storage Linode have had block storage for ages, I use them for ZFS.

I meant "HDD" based block storage which should be far cheaper than SSD/NVMe based ones when you don't need performance.

Re: Linode Outage in Dallas, Fremont, Atlanta, Newark, and Toronto Data Centers

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Post by williamscales »

ilyt wrote: post #70
williamscales wrote: post #67

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I moved off Linode 5 years ago due to outages and issues. I don't have any experience post-akamai to compare but it was definitely never a reliable service for me in the past.

Which site ? I've been in Fremont, then London with basically zero problems (few scheduled migrations for when they were changing hardware)

I searched my emails and it appears it was the Fremont site. It was about 7 years ago I moved off Linode. Initially I went to EC2 but then I just replaced most of my VPS needs with other specific services. FWIW, EC2 was more reliable IME, but obviously the Linode UX was way better.

Re: Linode Outage in Dallas, Fremont, Atlanta, Newark, and Toronto Data Centers

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Post by exikyut »

bongobingo1 wrote: post #28
eatonphil wrote: post #2

They were just bought by Akamai so unfortunately things like this are bound to happen if they are trying to integrate with Akamai the way they'd need to successfully keep growing. I'm not talking just software integration but process and people integration as well. We'll see I guess!

The Akamai acquisition has had me kind of stressed to be honest. Here in Oceania there aren't a whole lot of established "cloud" hosts to pick from that host locally. Linode is fantastic and I have loved them for 10+ years. Digital Ocean doesn't host here, nearest is Singapore. Vultr does but I have had poor experiences with them. The other options are AWS and Google which are potentially unbounded expenses which is…

If you ever plan on colocating a 1U box somewhere, count me in for nibbling a bit off the end of it for $20/mo :) (I'm in Sydney, and seriously, seriously want my latency back)

I did a bunch of digging a while back and it looks like the "simply cannot go any lower" baseline is $250/mo.

Re: Linode Outage in Dallas, Fremont, Atlanta, Newark, and Toronto Data Centers

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Post by exikyut »

dsr_ wrote: post #62
ht85 wrote: post #54

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Unrelated to the Linode thing, but in 15 years building and selling SaaS products, I've encountered a number of customers who nitpick prices or try to haggle. I'm not talking about non-profits with micro budgets, rather very profitable businesses. Nowadays, whenever someone goes there, I just change my usual lighthearted tone to a serious one and say "Yeah, our prices are firm, if that's outside of your budget it's b…

In the procedure list, someone included the line "Try to get a discount". When it works, it works. When it fails, it didn't work, but the next step is not "Quit" but "Continue".

And when it works, it contributes to the business being profitable.

(Kind of rhetorical, but interesting to me)

Re: Linode Outage in Dallas, Fremont, Atlanta, Newark, and Toronto Data Centers

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Post by ubermonkey »

webmobdev wrote: post #84
ubermonkey wrote: post #75

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I'm paying for a few small Linux VMs. Pair has nothing all price competitive. They're also now part of a giant media company (!), so yeah, pass.

Look up "managed" hosting vs "unmanaged" hosting - that's one explanation why their services are costlier.

...but I don't _care_ why they're costlier, and also noted I don't really want to deal with them as an entity, so it doesn't matter.

Re: Linode Outage in Dallas, Fremont, Atlanta, Newark, and Toronto Data Centers

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Post by ubermonkey »

webmobdev wrote: post #83
duskwuff wrote: post #80

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Pair is absolutely not price-competitive. Pair's "Starter I" plan is $30/mo, for 1 vCPU, 2 GB RAM, 20 GB storage, and 500 GB transfer. Linode's most similar plan ("Linode 2 GB") is $10/mo, and includes 2 TB transfer.

Does look like they have hiked their prices. But it also depends on how you are making the comparison. For example, just a cursory look at both pricing shows me some major differences - Pair is offering "fully managed" VPS hosting which means the hosting providers employees will help you do most of the common hosting tasks (and provide better customer support) unlike "unmanaged" hosting where you have to do everythin…

Serious question: why are you stanning for Pair? Do you work for them?

Re: Linode Outage in Dallas, Fremont, Atlanta, Newark, and Toronto Data Centers

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Post by webmobdev »

ubermonkey wrote: post #95
webmobdev wrote: post #84

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Look up "managed" hosting vs "unmanaged" hosting - that's one explanation why their services are costlier.

...but I don't _care_ why they're costlier, and also noted I don't really want to deal with them as an entity, so it doesn't matter.

Just pointing out that price comparison between two product or service needs to be done with similar yardsticks. A product or service being costlier doesn't automatically mean that it costs you more as it can save your business money elsewhere.

Re: Linode Outage in Dallas, Fremont, Atlanta, Newark, and Toronto Data Centers

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Post by webmobdev »

ubermonkey wrote: post #96
webmobdev wrote: post #83

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Does look like they have hiked their prices. But it also depends on how you are making the comparison. For example, just a cursory look at both pricing shows me some major differences - Pair is offering "fully managed" VPS hosting which means the hosting providers employees will help you do most of the common hosting tasks (and provide better customer support) unlike "unmanaged" hosting where you have to do everythin…

Serious question: why are you stanning for Pair? Do you work for them?

No, I don't. I am vocal about brands I admire or dislike. One of the ways I was taught to evaluate web hosting companies was to check how long they have been in the business (both the company and the management) as web hosting is an easy business to get into (even today, any Tom, Dick and Harry can start a web hosting business with next to nothing investment by becoming a reseller). Pair hosting is one of the oldest web hosting companies I know, and they have / had a reputation for high server uptimes (I still remember one of their employee had once posted in some forum on how one of their FreeBSD run server had an uptime of more than 2+ years - yeah, bragging about server uptimes was once a thing too) and great customer support. (I also have fond memories of Linode, Slicehost, Rackspace etc. before they all gave up and were gobbled up by someone, and web hosting became all this "cloud" bullshit.)

Tl;dr: No. Brand recognition / recall is a powerful marketing tool.

Re: Linode Outage in Dallas, Fremont, Atlanta, Newark, and Toronto Data Centers

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Post by duskwuff »

webmobdev wrote: post #98
ubermonkey wrote: post #96

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Serious question: why are you stanning for Pair? Do you work for them?

No, I don't. I am vocal about brands I admire or dislike. One of the ways I was taught to evaluate web hosting companies was to check how long they have been in the business (both the company and the management) as web hosting is an easy business to get into (even today, any Tom, Dick and Harry can start a web hosting business with next to nothing investment by becoming a reseller). Pair hosting is one of the oldest…

Some old businesses are still running because they've been able to stay relevant over the long term. And some old businesses are still running because they've been relying on name recognition and customers who can't be bothered to move.

Unfortunately, I think Pair is in the latter category.

Re: Linode Outage in Dallas, Fremont, Atlanta, Newark, and Toronto Data Centers

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Post by ubermonkey »

webmobdev wrote: post #97
ubermonkey wrote: post #95

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...but I don't _care_ why they're costlier, and also noted I don't really want to deal with them as an entity, so it doesn't matter.

Just pointing out that price comparison between two product or service needs to be done with similar yardsticks. A product or service being costlier doesn't automatically mean that it costs you more as it can save your business money elsewhere.

It doesn't really, though.

I'm happy with what I'm getting for the price I'm paying. I'm not interested in a bigger spend here at all.

So yes, it's completely fair to dismiss Pair as being too expensive based their prices alone.

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