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Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by TheRealPomax »

filoleg wrote: post #231
TheRealPomax wrote: post #197

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Probably not, since it encourages companies to actually invest in people that they can't just fire at will. Society comes out on top, and business is kept accountable for how they treat human beings. The free market with at will employment is a race to the bottom. France's model is more of a steady march to the top.

> France's model is more of a steady march to the top Eagerly awaiting for France to have their own equivalents (in terms of success and worldwide influence) of Google/Apple/Microsoft/Amazon/SpaceX/Tesla/etc. As well as for their devs to be paid even remotely close to what they can get paid in the US. From what I am seeing, even "the year of Linux on desktop" is more likely to happen than that. Which doesn't inspire…

You seem to confuse "the top" with "having the highest paying jobs at companies that active make either the planet, society, or both, worse"? Drawing a seven figure salary while you're enabling some of the worst abuses of power and the centralisation of digital control on the planet really isn't doing it right. That's "fucking it up" and then going "buy my paycheque! More money means I'm better!" when someone calls that out. No, US, you're not a better person because your salary is higher, and your company is not better because it controls a bigger part of the world.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by WoahNoun »

trap_goes_hot wrote: post #278
WoahNoun wrote: post #83

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Not selling the at the price he offered would have been massively violating their fiduciary duty. Twitter stock would probably be worth like $20-30 given the current market versus the $54 offered.

There is a lot of confusion with people offering their own opinions. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/twitter-board-of-direct... It seems the board tried to block it at first. Also - "A Saudi prince who is among Twitter’s major shareholders scoffed at Musk’s offer in a Thursday tweet. Al Waleed bin Talal said he would reject Musk’s overtures because he didn’t believe $43 billion “comes close to the intrinsic valu…

That has nothing to do with the contract Musk actually signed.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by rco8786 »

pb7 wrote: post #194
rco8786 wrote: post #174

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No I am saying the lawyers are suing for something that has already occurred. Specifically not giving the proper advance notice as required by law.

This is proper advance notice as long as he pays for 60+ days of employment. There is no law that requires employers to let you do whatever you want with access to company resources for 60 days.

I’m not a lawyer. I’m literally just parroting the very first line of the article:

“Twitter is being sued for not giving employees advance notice of a mass layoff that began in earnest early Friday.”

I don’t think Elon is playing 5d chess. I think he’s being an enormous asshole about what is likely a justifiable thing to do at Twitter if you’re someone with purely capitalistic intentions.

I’m also saying that he’s not being sued for something he might do later as the poster I replied to suggested, he’s being sued for something he’s already done.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by rco8786 »

supercanuck wrote: post #147
rco8786 wrote: post #139

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You can’t sue someone in advance of wrongdoing

Obviously you can.

“Twitter is being sued for not giving employees advance notice of a mass layoff that began in earnest early Friday.”

Very first line of the article.

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Post by scarecrowbob »

pessimizer wrote: post #244
scarecrowbob wrote: post #37

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I have seen a lot of sentiment wonder "why some people do not like Elmo Musk". This fact is probably something close to why I personally don't like the guy: he comes across as a personified avatar of the fact that laws don't really apply to folks with those kinds of resources, and that us peons have literally no recourse when faced with a rich person who wants to do whatever they feel like doing.

This is why you should hate your society and its values, not Musk.

While I don't disagree that I should hate this society and its values, that does not mean I shouldn't have some disdain for folks like musk:

"hate the player, not the game" doesn't apply to folks who own the referees.

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Post by filoleg »

ceejayoz wrote: post #274
filoleg wrote: post #263

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I mean, if they consider being successful and being paid more as a failure, then yeah, I can totally see their "steady march to the top" succeeding. Not sure if that warrants a celebration. But if they consider it as such, then who am I to disagree.

The French might ask why turning the like button into several different kinds of reaction is so much more "successful" than the baker who makes a perfect croissant. Perhaps it's OK for a society to be... OK, instead of "the top", especially if top comes with a correspondingly distant bottom. Perhaps in 50 years we'll not see some of Google/Apple/Microsoft/Amazon/SpaceX/Tesla/etc. as quite so positive of achievements.

I fully agree thay it is absolutely OK for a society to be OK instead of "the top". That's a choice I can respect, as being at "the top" can come with its set of downsides that the society there might not want to accept. In fact, it might indeed be better to not be "at the top".

However, I was disputing it in the context of the claim that "France model is leading them steadily on the way to the top". To the top of what? To the top of being OK? That's a very questionable definition of "the top".

Meanwhile, sure, you can argue that some of "Google/Apple/Microsoft/Amazon/SpaceX/Tesla/etc." might end up not so positive of achievements in 50 years, but a lot of them quite are. Tesla, a non-european car brand, is one of the most registered new vehicles in quite a few european countries now, and I consider it a positive thing in comparison to ICE vehicles made in europe like bmw/audi/etc. SpaceX with its recent Falcon9-Heavy launch is quite positive. Which search engine do french people use? I bet it is Google. Which OS and office productivity suite does the majority of France currently run? I bet it is Windows with MS Office. Where are the majority of the websites and services that most people use are hosted? Most likely they are hosted at AWS.

Again, I dont subscribe to the notion that one has to be "at the top" in a bunch of arbitrary metrics to lead a great life, and it applies to both individuals and countries. However, I still disagree with the notion that France is anywhere on "the steady way to the top" when it comes to any of those metrics, as I see zero evidence to that.

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Post by illuminerdy »

vkou wrote: post #122
illuminerdy wrote: post #43

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Preemptive lawsuit's. To further tie up an already overburdened legal system. I like how you think, my man.

There's nothing overburdened about the civil court system, because the participants in it are largely responsible for paying for it. The criminal court system (and public defenders in particular) are another story.

There is a considerable backlog of civil court cases throughout the country due to a mysterious virus of unknown origin.

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Post by ceejayoz »

wsinks wrote: post #252
selectodude wrote: post #52

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In a drug-induced haze, Elon offered to buy Twitter at a price that was a weed meme and after sobering up, went on a full court press in the media to get out of his deal. It required a absolute shitpounding in the Delaware court of chancery for him to cop to the legal obligations he clearly wasn't aware of. What on earth has this man done to make you think that he knows his legal obligations?

Not questioning you fully here, but ... what reference is there for Elon doing this offer while 'in a drug-induced haze'?

The price was $54.20 and the offer made on 4/20. https://www.reuters.com/business/weed-joke-agreed-deal-insid...

Not his first 420 reference, either; the “funding secured” Tesla tweet that got him in hot water with the SEC set a Tesla share price of $420.

At the very least, he likes to make weed jokes.

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Post by czbond »

insanitybit wrote: post #249
czbond wrote: post #242

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It's done on the scale of whatever time frame the management think the risk exists. In this case, if management thinks that risk exists for months - still acceptable. While unusual, if management needs to end the employment of staff but is precluded in doing so by law.... the only thing Twitter must do is provide normal compensation & benefits, nothing else. Under employment contracts, the employee must do whatever t…

Are you an employment lawyer? You're making a lot of assertions about what's acceptable.

This isn't about acceptable or law - it's basic company risk management.

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Post by pbreit »

Tangurena2 wrote: post #224
pbreit wrote: post #198

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Does anyone know what WARN actually requires? If they are copensated for 60 days, does that suffice?

Yes. > An employer who violates WARN provisions is liable to each employee for an amount equal to back pay and benefits for the period of the violation, up to 60 days. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_Adjustment_and_Retraini... He learned his lesson from a similar large scale layoff at Tesla. The lawyers in this case were the same lawyers in the previous case.

So does that just mean they need to be paid for 60 days (which they are)?
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