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Re: It looks like I’m moving to Mastodon

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Regarding Mastodon, I really like the idea behind it but always hit a wall when thinking about starting an instance. The alternatives appear to be * paying around $9/month for a managed instance * hosting it yourself (with all the costs and responsibilities that come with yet another self-hosted service) * signing up at a public instance (and potentially lose everything connected to it once an operator loses interest…

Mastodon doesn't require you to host an instance. You can sign up for an account on any instance of your choosing.

Every service offers a choice between "run your own" or "trust someone else". I don't trust Twitter but the people I follow are on there so I guess I'll keep my old account. I trust the Mastodon folks more because they're running on donations, which makes their profit model quite transparent.

The difference between the two is that Mastodon doesn't go down when one hosted instance collapses due to politics or spam or any other problem these servers face. Major servers can go down and there will still be plenty of content available through the distributed set of smaller servers.

Mastodon is also not as much of a combined network as it may look. It's more of a set of small social networks that all interact with each other, just like you used to be able to use XMPP to talk between chat services like Facebook and GTalk. Everyone sort of does their own thing on their own server but they have the option to also follow content from other servers.

Some people just like hosting instances. It gives some control back to the users that want it. It's good to have the option, but most people aren't expected to go that route.

There are definitely toxic servers just like on Twitter that are part of an optional blacklist that's being distributed online. Whether you want to apply that blacklist on your server is your choice; most people do, but server owners can make their own decisions. It's certainly no different from other social media in that toxic people ruin the experience for everyone, but with these things it's nice that the worst of the worst are siloed off in their own little space that you can choose to interact with if you really wish.

I'm a little surprised that Trump's instance has federation disabled, I guess they don't want to admit that they grabbed an old version or Mastodon and applied a theme to it after saying they're making a new service from scratch. Or maybe they don't want "leftist" outside influences in their little hateful echo chamber, because exposing your network to the outside does imply that you have to deal with people with differing opinions.

Personally, I don't do much with Mastodon because I use Twitter as a read-only platform. None of the people I follow mirror their posts into Mastodon and I don't care enough to set up an active Twitter proxy for an instance of my own to bridge the gap. The social networking problem is real.

Re: It looks like I’m moving to Mastodon

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The same kind of posts happened when zuck changed the private policy of whatsaap a few months ago, everyone was migrating to Signal. Who uses signal now?

I don't use Signal, it was my first choice. Only 1 friend cared enough to move to it, most just didn't like it.

I then switched to Telegram and haven't used WhatscrApp ever since.

Re: It looks like I’m moving to Mastodon

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He also gave you a specific non-political reason (accessibility) in the sentences right above what you quoted.

After watching some interviews with some Twitter employees, I suspect that many in the accessibility team were very political & their politics influenced their decisions.

That sounds like it might be something I hadn't heard about. Can you provide some sources I can learn from?

Re: It looks like I’m moving to Mastodon

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The same kind of posts happened when zuck changed the private policy of whatsaap a few months ago, everyone was migrating to Signal. Who uses signal now?

All my family and about half of my friends are still using it. In, almost everyone who I know who joined during that time stayed, but most still use WhatsApp and Telegram as well.

Re: It looks like I’m moving to Mastodon

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The sad thing is that I jumped to Matrix (with Element) and waited for the influx; 2 people moved. The rest either stayed on WhatsApp or moved to Telegram (to be fair, almost all my contacts, including my mother, actually did move to Telegram from WhatsApp). No signal, no matrix. Matrix is nice in theory but Element is not very nice and the messing around with keys is not something most people will understand. This n…

What's so great about the Telegram UI?

Quite possibly the most responsive native social media application for all platforms.

It's got free storage (basically free Google Drive), behaves like Messenger, has public channels and groups like Discord and YouTube, mind-blowing cloud sync, can connect to people without sharing a phone number and tons of features that I can't really list here but you can check them out here: https://t.me/TelegramTips

Re: It looks like I’m moving to Mastodon

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Yup, federation can only work if the parts actually connect to one another. Isn’t Trump’s TruthSocial build on some federated protocol too? But if you connected your node to it, everybody else would shun you.

If I recall correctly, it was initially built on a relicensed version of Mastodon, with federation disabled. No idea what's going on with it now, or if it was even legal to do so with Mastodon's AGPL license.

I don't think it's even relicensed, they pretty much just stole the code as far as I'm aware. From what I've read (I can't even reach the service as a foreigner) it's not even built on a recent version of Mastodon.

Re: It looks like I’m moving to Mastodon

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I find this hilarious. We all understand that the core reason some people might want to hurt twitter is because it is no longer going to follow the moderation policy that they liked (namely, silencing people with different political opinions). Yet, people can't name this reason honestly, and invent some other thin weiled excuses like 'layoffs are baaaad and unethical'. Bold prediction: this influencer with 40k follow…

Yeah, I like living in a democracy, so I appreciated when twitter silenced certain people that tried to use it to violently overthrow my democratically elected government. Donald Trump tweeted all the time, many of his tweets were of a very different political opinion than mine (when they were coherent), yet he was not silenced. Not until he tried to violently overthrow the US government.

> Not until he tried to violently overthrow the US government.

Try rereading twitters ban post: https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2020/suspensio...

He got banned for tweets that require reading with an extra crinkly tin foil hat on to get "tried to overthrow the government".

Re: It looks like I’m moving to Mastodon

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Yup, federation can only work if the parts actually connect to one another. Isn’t Trump’s TruthSocial build on some federated protocol too? But if you connected your node to it, everybody else would shun you.

Trump's twitter clone has disabled federation as far as I'm aware.

Re: It looks like I’m moving to Mastodon

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I think you might in fact be a fanboy. Which is fine, fanboy all you like if it makes you happy! Maybe he does have people lined up to replace all the people he just fired. Maybe he really was able to ascertain who was essential and who was dead weight within days of taking over. Maybe against all appearances his actions are actually helping retain the best people at Twitter. Maybe having a public strop and suggestin…

A most interesting comment. Lots of words, no falsifiable assertions. Just a steaming pile of innuendo.

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