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Re: It looks like I’m moving to Mastodon

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post #49

> I can’t see myself putting the same work in to help the world’s richest man pay the loans he took out So Twitter was “really good” (while it was helping the many rich shareholders of a random public company) but it’s suddenly “work” a couple of days after the owner changed? Nothing wrong for not using it because of ideological reasons, but the product’s accessibility (or anything else really) hasn’t changed yet.

What do you think the shareholders of a typical public company look like?

I think you’ll find a small percentage owned by rich private individuals/family offices, some owned by private investors like insurance companies, and the rest held by pension funds or mutual funds which look like big shares on paper but don’t really exercise control and correspond to lots of tiny holdings by people who range from poor to ordinary to a small number of quite wealthy people.

That is, I think the usual answer to “who are the shareholders of this public company?” is “ordinary people through their pensions or investment accounts, skewing a little bit older and richer”. Some companies have a relatively large stake owned by some private person or fund, and others have a big share owned by their original founders or their families, but in that case those people would be named instead of just saying ‘shareholders’.

Re: It looks like I’m moving to Mastodon

#132

I don't see a valid reason to leave Twitter in his post. IMO laying off the accessibility team isn't a reason to leave. But, each to his own opinion. The layoffs will have effect, but it doesn't have to be a bad one. Once they get leaner, they might have a clearer vison and know where to expand.

If Musk wants twitter to be the town square for the world, that town square needs to be accessible for all. Even though this might not directly affect Simon, hats off to him for making that decision. If twitter starts becoming as inaccessible as most other systems it will lock out people and remove their voices from twitter. That feels like an incredibly valid reason, and isn't the point of free markets to vote with…

You make it sound like the role of an accessibility team is to be the valve that prevents the floodgates of inaccessibility opening. That's one hell of an expensive valve.

Or that whatever the team has built up until this point, won't function unless they're in the office?

> "incredibly valid"

At this point, many opinions about Twitter are ranging from invalid to pathetic whinging. Twitter is still Twitter, and not everybody there got fired. I think it will get better after dust settles.

Re: It looks like I’m moving to Mastodon

#133
post #49

> I can’t see myself putting the same work in to help the world’s richest man pay the loans he took out So Twitter was “really good” (while it was helping the many rich shareholders of a random public company) but it’s suddenly “work” a couple of days after the owner changed? Nothing wrong for not using it because of ideological reasons, but the product’s accessibility (or anything else really) hasn’t changed yet.

It's easier to rally against some foe when that foe is one person. When it's a bunch of shareholders, the hatred is diluted.

that's exactly elons problem now. every unpopular action will be pinned on him personally.

https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/28/23428132/elon-musk-twitt...

Re: It looks like I’m moving to Mastodon

#134

As someone who cares for a blind father, I can't stomach the decision to eliminate the accessibility team. I am myself moving to Mastodon. I was amazed in doing this that the UI/UX of Mastodon is much better than Twitter. I feel better.

there could be a number of reasons other than "Elon doesn't care about xyz" other members of the dev team can/are already doing this Maybe he plans to make it part of everyone's job Maybe he has his own team to replace it We have zero knowledge of what's going to happen so jumping ship without knowing the full picture seems haphazard to me.

Jumping ship because of X at this point is just ideological flexing, we have zero indication how this will play out yet.

Re: It looks like I’m moving to Mastodon

#135

As someone who cares for a blind father, I can't stomach the decision to eliminate the accessibility team. I am myself moving to Mastodon. I was amazed in doing this that the UI/UX of Mastodon is much better than Twitter. I feel better.

What would a team of "accessibility engineers" occupy themselves with every day anyway? Did they build features that will fail unless someone is there to handhold? " Day 2: still accessible? check. Day 3: still accessible? check. ".... Accessibility is important, but once you build a wheelchair ramp into a building, the ramp builders have nothing more to do. Likewise, Twitter remains fairly static, with only minor ch…

It most likely needs a smaller team than they used to have, but some dedicated employees are necessary.

Accessibility should be part of every design team. Any new features being developed need accessibility input. This includes all the different mobile apps and integrations with native accessible platforms and accessibility tools. It also needs full internationalisation and language support too, which increases complexity. It needs a few more people than just ticking boxes or building workarounds or ramps after a feature has been developed.

Additionally, Twitter also takes in external links from webpages and so can influence the meta markup of these via their API / open graph / social sharing. So it works on the wider web accessibility standards too.

I imagine bootstrap and all the other libraries twitter publishes are also part of the teams remit.

Re: It looks like I’m moving to Mastodon

#136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Twitter used to be run by progressives, so there was a modicum of "we are, or should be, doing good things here". Elon Musk bought Twitter specifically to hollow out its progressive cultural core.

"I was happy to do free work for that billionaire, he's part of the same ideology I've been born into. But now that it's this other billionaire, I cannot continue."

I don't see a problem with this, except being born into an ideology. Most people these days have chosen one and cultivated it according to their life. I think my ideology is good, if it wasn't I would change it to be the good version. So why would I not work with someone who shares mine? Billionaire or not.

Re: It looks like I’m moving to Mastodon

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post #114
post #49

> I can’t see myself putting the same work in to help the world’s richest man pay the loans he took out So Twitter was “really good” (while it was helping the many rich shareholders of a random public company) but it’s suddenly “work” a couple of days after the owner changed? Nothing wrong for not using it because of ideological reasons, but the product’s accessibility (or anything else really) hasn’t changed yet.

Twitter was already under a cloud while Musk was grandstanding his acquisition stunt. Once he was forced to go through with it, his immediate actions and communication confirmed how much chaos we (users, staff, customers) were in for. Then after one week, awfully mishandled mass layoffs, demands to massively reduce infrastructure costs, etc. Nothing's changed? Sure it has. Trust and confidence are hard to build, easy…

Chaos? I haven't been subject to any on Twitter lately. Actually it seems it finally stopped forcing me to signup? That alone is a great improvement.

Re: It looks like I’m moving to Mastodon

#138
post #93

I expect that the feature I’ll miss most from Twitter will be the algorithmic timeline! I must be old. I remember a time when people wanted a chronological timeline (on by default). Twitter still offers a chronological timeline, but now that people are migrating to Mastodon, I've come across the wish to have an algorithmic timeline again quite often :). I just find this interesting (I can relate, I find the algorithm…

I think that it is case of preference or just different use case. If you follow few people that tweet sparsly, you want chronological. If you follow many people who tweet a lot, you want algoritmus.

That just sounds like algorithmic with extra steps. An algorithm can take information about your follows tweeting patterns and adjust the amount of chronological timeline you see.

Re: It looks like I’m moving to Mastodon

#139
post #97

Is there a stable mature lightweight mastodon/PubSub server (ideally with sqlite storage) that's easy to maintain to serve a handful of users?

if there’s just a handful of users can’t you just share a note from the notes app, or is that too personal?

Re: It looks like I’m moving to Mastodon

#140
post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don’t need a whole accessibility team for a product to be accessible. It can be handled by raising the awareness of other product teams plus some central auditing, for example (Twitter after all is a pretty basic product, UX wise).

Someone needs to do that though. With the foremost experts sacked, and staff down with a half, who will bother?

Maybe the employees on the accessibility team were all useless and hated by the whole org? Maybe starting fresh with real accessibility experts is a better way forward?
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