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Show HN: Reveddit.com: Improving online discourse with transparent moderation

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Show HN: Reveddit.com: Improving online discourse with transparent moderation

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Hi HN, this talk represents a summary of my work over the last four years on addressing shadow moderation with Reveddit.

Let me know what you think, good or bad, and I'll do my best to answer.

What is shadow moderation? It is any action taken against your content that you aren't told about and aren't able to detect while logged in. I focus on Reddit comments since every single removal is shadow removed— removed comments are shown to you as if they're not.

You can try this for yourself on,

https://www.reveddit.com

https://www.reddit.com/r/CantSayAnything/about/sticky/

Your content will be removed, you won't be told, and it will be shown to you as if it's publicly visible.

Show HN: Reveddit.com: Improving online discourse with transparent moderation
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I love reveddit.com, it's hilarious to look at the typical r/science post and see 60%+ of comments removed on average (the 'controversial' ones go 75%+).

If the moderators agree with the study there is zero dissent tolerated. This subreddit has something like 1000+ moderators and they remove any comments that doesn't fit into Reddit's very narrowly defined overton window. Not just people being off-topic or taboo... but often anyone who questions the studies being posted.

My only critique is that it doesn't work with Firefox. I have to pull up Chrome which I only use for work. Do you have a social media profile to follow/provide feedback to?

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Just tested this on my 15-year-old account and it's really well executed. Great work! The main link here should be to reveddit, not the video at cantsayanything as it is now.

> Just tested this on my 15-year-old account and it's really well executed. Great work!

Thanks!

> The main link here should be to reveddit, not the video at cantsayanything as it is now.

I intended to share the video because it's an overview of what I've learned while building the site, which I thought might engender more interesting discussion than the tool itself.

TL;DW I think secret removals creates the toxicity it seeks to remove. See also this ongoing discussion:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheoryOfReddit/comments/ymeqaz/hate...

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Just tested this on my 15-year-old account and it's really well executed. Great work! The main link here should be to reveddit, not the video at cantsayanything as it is now.

> Just tested this on my 15-year-old account and it's really well executed. Great work! Thanks! > The main link here should be to reveddit, not the video at cantsayanything as it is now. I intended to share the video because it's an overview of what I've learned while building the site, which I thought might engender more interesting discussion than the tool itself. TL;DW I think secret removals creates the toxicity…

For Show HN, it's customary to link directly to the product.

I agree about secret removals.

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post #3

I love reveddit.com, it's hilarious to look at the typical r/science post and see 60%+ of comments removed on average (the 'controversial' ones go 75%+). If the moderators agree with the study there is zero dissent tolerated. This subreddit has something like 1000+ moderators and they remove any comments that doesn't fit into Reddit's very narrowly defined overton window. Not just people being off-topic or taboo... b…

> I love reveddit.com, it's hilarious to look at the typical r/science post and see 60%+ of comments removed on average (the 'controversial' ones go 75%+).

Yeah I mention r/science at 7:00 in the linked video.

> If the moderators agree with the study there is zero dissent tolerated. This subreddit has something like 1000+ moderators and they remove any comments that doesn't fit into Reddit's very narrowly defined overton window. Not just people being off-topic or taboo... but often anyone who questions the studies being posted.

I'm sure that's true. I haven't looked at the exact biases in that group too much. For awhile I was collecting examples of biased removals in certain groups, but that was just so I could come up with relatable stories to tell. I disagree with pretty much every secretive removal. Even in cases where someone is threatening violence I wonder whether we should keep such a removal secret from the author: an extremist in a given group, whose views went unchallenged, may perceive silence as agreement and therefore believe they're part of a team when in fact they're not.

> My only critique is that it doesn't work with Firefox. I have to pull up Chrome which I only use for work. Do you have a social media profile to follow/provide feedback to?

It does work on Firefox but you have to disable tracking protection [1]. The reason is because Reddit, to which Reveddit obviously must connect, appears on an arbitrary list of domains that Firefox's partner Disconnect.me considers to be "trackers" [2]. That list breaks tons of websites that are tracked and seemingly ignored in this 8 year old bug [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1101005]. The bug is updated with new sites almost every day. I'm not up to date on how browsers or standards are changing, but I'm guessing the Disconnect.me list is a hack until a better solution can be found.

I don't know of a better solution. I'm all ears if you have one provided it doesn't cost me more or hurt the site's operation by putting its logic on a server [3].

[1] https://www.reveddit.com/about/faq/#firefox

[2] https://github.com/disconnectme/disconnect-tracking-protecti...

[3] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.privacy/...

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Do you still display content removed by their authors and not the moderators?

My focus has always been to reveal secretive removals to authors, and Reveddit has never shown author-deleted body text,

https://www.reveddit.com/about/faq/#user-deleted

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Just tested this on my 15-year-old account and it's really well executed. Great work! Thanks! > The main link here should be to reveddit, not the video at cantsayanything as it is now. I intended to share the video because it's an overview of what I've learned while building the site, which I thought might engender more interesting discussion than the tool itself. TL;DW I think secret removals creates the toxicity…

For Show HN, it's customary to link directly to the product. I agree about secret removals.

I see. I don't see a specific mention about the link itself in the rules for Show HN. I also think customs are less fixed than rules and don't need to be moderated.

https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html

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I love reveddit.com, it's hilarious to look at the typical r/science post and see 60%+ of comments removed on average (the 'controversial' ones go 75%+). If the moderators agree with the study there is zero dissent tolerated. This subreddit has something like 1000+ moderators and they remove any comments that doesn't fit into Reddit's very narrowly defined overton window. Not just people being off-topic or taboo... b…

> I love reveddit.com, it's hilarious to look at the typical r/science post and see 60%+ of comments removed on average (the 'controversial' ones go 75%+). Yeah I mention r/science at 7:00 in the linked video. > If the moderators agree with the study there is zero dissent tolerated. This subreddit has something like 1000+ moderators and they remove any comments that doesn't fit into Reddit's very narrowly defined ove…

Blocking trackers is a feature not a bug. Disagreeing with what belongs on the list is fine of course but it isn't a bug. IMO Reddit belongs there equally as much or as little as Google and Facebook.
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