How much severance did they pay to employees? The WARN act maximum penalty is 60 days salary and benefits [0]. So if you’re giving out severance packages of more than two months you can ignore the WARN act as you’re paying the same or more than the penalty. And I assume that any deference agreement would involve not suing due to WARN act violations.
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Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper
#262Earlier quoted context omitted.
1 month is $55M in fines at that rate. 300k verified users paying $8/month is $2.4M. If he's making a big deal about bringing in single digit millions per month to "pay the bills", you'd think he'd care about double-digit million fines, but who knows. He has more FU money than anyone else alive.
> 300k verified users paying $8/month is $2.4M. That is far from the only source of Twitter revenue. Also, I'm about 99.999% sure that the $8/month thing is more about trolling the crap out of sanctimonious blue checks rather than actual revenue. They're basically Star-Bellied Sneetches who are going ballistic because the proles might also get "stars upon thars".
> That is far from the only source of Twitter revenue.
Yes, but he's claiming the $8/mo is to "keep paying the bills", so why focus on that small revenue stream and then pay a huge fine?
> Also, I'm about 99.999% sure that the $8/month thing is more about trolling the crap out of sanctimonious blue checks rather than actual revenue. They're basically Star-Bellied Sneetches who are going ballistic because the proles might also get "stars upon thars".
The revolution will be a subscription service, got it.
Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper
#263Earlier quoted context omitted.
> France's model is more of a steady march to the top Eagerly awaiting for France to have their own equivalents (in terms of success and worldwide influence) of Google/Apple/Microsoft/Amazon/SpaceX/Tesla/etc. As well as for their devs to be paid even remotely close to what they can get paid in the US. From what I am seeing, even "the year of Linux on desktop" is more likely to happen than that. Which doesn't inspire…
> As well as for their devs to be paid even remotely close to what they can get paid in the US. Perhaps the French would see that as a failure, not a success.
I mean, if they consider being successful and being paid more as a failure, then yeah, I can totally see their "steady march to the top" succeeding.
Not sure if that warrants a celebration. But if they consider it as such, then who am I to disagree.
Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper
#264Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper
#265Earlier quoted context omitted.
No I am saying the lawyers are suing for something that has already occurred. Specifically not giving the proper advance notice as required by law.
This is proper advance notice as long as he pays for 60+ days of employment. There is no law that requires employers to let you do whatever you want with access to company resources for 60 days.
There is a requirement to negotiate a layoff in Europe, which is why the European redundancies weren't laid off yet.
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#266Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper
#267Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is exactly it. Terminated technically means, no longer receiving compensation or benefits. If Musk is basically saying “stop working” and we will pay you for the next 60 days (and even beyond), then this is completely legal as long as they are not restricted from seeking other employment during this “notice period” Edit: IANAL
> If Musk is basically saying “stop working” and we will pay you for the next 60 days (and even beyond), then this is completely legal as long as they are not restricted from seeking other employment during this “notice period” AFAICT, nobody was told to "stop working" today. They were all laid off, meaning terminated, no longer compensated, etc.
Extraordinary claims call for extraordinary evidence, or at least a shred of evidence.
Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper
#268Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is exactly it. Terminated technically means, no longer receiving compensation or benefits. If Musk is basically saying “stop working” and we will pay you for the next 60 days (and even beyond), then this is completely legal as long as they are not restricted from seeking other employment during this “notice period” Edit: IANAL
Nitpick, but this kind of "paid but not working", also known as Garden Leave in the UK at least, often needs to be specified in the contract. Otherwise the employee could argue in some jurisdictions that this is demeaning behaviour etc. No idea about the actual jurisdiction in question...
That's why European (and whatever UK is) employees were merely warned, and the US workers were laid off.
Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper
#269Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is exactly it. Terminated technically means, no longer receiving compensation or benefits. If Musk is basically saying “stop working” and we will pay you for the next 60 days (and even beyond), then this is completely legal as long as they are not restricted from seeking other employment during this “notice period” Edit: IANAL
It depends what you define at benefits. Is access to the cafe a benefit? Is access to the internal corporate directory a benefit?
Definitely not. Companies have been fighting the IRS for years to claim that the cafe is not a benefit and should not be taxed.
Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper
#270Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's done on the scale of whatever time frame the management think the risk exists. In this case, if management thinks that risk exists for months - still acceptable. While unusual, if management needs to end the employment of staff but is precluded in doing so by law.... the only thing Twitter must do is provide normal compensation & benefits, nothing else. Under employment contracts, the employee must do whatever t…
Are you an employment lawyer? You're making a lot of assertions about what's acceptable.
Are you?