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New bill to allow $1m crowdfunding rounds

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Re: New bill to allow $1m crowdfunding rounds

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In what way is crowd funding illegal now? I am assuming that is what the gentleman was implying with "legalize and regulate." Doesn't regulation of a 'crowdsourced' anything, kind of defeat the purpose? The entire idea is that many small failures lead too faster successful iterations.

Crowd donating is legal. Crowd investing is not; currently, investors must be accredited or qualified.

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Re: New bill to allow $1m crowdfunding rounds

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Crowd donating is legal. Crowd investing is not; currently, investors must be accredited or qualified.

I never really understood the reasoning behind accredited investors.

Imagine those infomercials that run late at night on cable TV, except instead of selling dubious kitchen gadgets, they're selling equity in dubious social media startups to your grandmother.

Re: New bill to allow $1m crowdfunding rounds

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never really understood the reasoning behind accredited investors.

Imagine those infomercials that run late at night on cable TV, except instead of selling dubious kitchen gadgets, they're selling equity in dubious social media startups to your grandmother.

Does anyone know what sort of crowdfunding is considered permissible, and what is not allowed, under the proposed legislation?

I didn't see it in TFA, and googling "CROWDFUND ACT" didn't bring me the text of the bill.

Ostensibly the line must be drawn somewhere.

Is this only for "tech" companies? How is that defined?

Is there a particular company structure that is dictated? Delaware S-Corp, or any state Corp/LLC?

Re: New bill to allow $1m crowdfunding rounds

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I think this is great but the fraud potential is going to be key. It says it will require the companies to provide basic financial documentation but it will be interesting to see what the SEC requires. Also, what legal responsibility will these crowdfunded companies have to their investors.

I also wonder how this would impact wider disclosure requirements. From what I've read, you can only have so many private investors (500?) before you are required to provide enlarged financial statements. Apparently it's one of the reasons Facebook needs to IPO--too many stockholders. If this law isn't modified in this bill--you'd have small companies who had to spend tons of resources to comply at a very young age.

Re: New bill to allow $1m crowdfunding rounds

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never really understood the reasoning behind accredited investors.

Imagine those infomercials that run late at night on cable TV, except instead of selling dubious kitchen gadgets, they're selling equity in dubious social media startups to your grandmother.

Imagine a world where everyone who thinks they're building "the next Facebook" can be matched up with regular people who want to invest in "the next Facebook"...

Re: New bill to allow $1m crowdfunding rounds

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...why?

I thought the way VCs worked is that most of their investments go bust, while a few percent do absurdly well. How do you "minimize the risk of ... loss" for people who supposedly can't afford it, by giving them access to something even professionals usually lose money on?

This is an alternative to the "detailed disclosures" the SEC requires now, the way that's presented makes it sound like this requires less detail.

Is this because more people want to directly invest in startups, or because startups have a hard time getting funding the way things are now? Either way it sounds a bit bubbly...

Re: New bill to allow $1m crowdfunding rounds

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In what way is crowd funding illegal now? I am assuming that is what the gentleman was implying with "legalize and regulate." Doesn't regulation of a 'crowdsourced' anything, kind of defeat the purpose? The entire idea is that many small failures lead too faster successful iterations.

Crowd donating is legal. Crowd investing is not; currently, investors must be accredited or qualified.

> Crowd donating is legal. Crowd investing is not; currently, investors must be accredited or qualified.

That's not actually true (otherwise you couldn't do a friends and family round).

The reason a startup generally wants qualified investors is because the non-qualified ones can sue you if you they lose money, so it is in your best interest not to take their money.

Re: New bill to allow $1m crowdfunding rounds

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Am I the only one on HN who thinks this is a bad idea? I can only see this going one of two ways:

- Minimally regulated so that it is easy to get money, but then full of scams.

- Heavily regulated so that it is hard to get money, which makes it not much better than the current system.

I'd love to see smaller investors able to invest in startups, but it just seems like a bad idea to let any old person invest.

Can someone convince me I'm wrong?

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