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Many companies aren’t prepared to replace underperforming CEOs

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Re: Many companies aren’t prepared to replace underperforming CEOs

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Wut? At higher level in an organization, there is a much greater chance that you will be fired for things that you really have little control over. Now, at the highest levels, the compensation usually matches this level of uncertainty, sometimes with golden parachutes as well, so if you are fired you're still sitting pretty. But, for me, I wouldn't define "a nice life" with having to deal with that much stress as hav…

In theory, I agree with you. In practice, it is mind-bogglingly rare how often high-level executives are fired for any reason, whether their fault or not.

Don’t want to be defending plutocrats, but consider how hard it is to be fired in general whatever the role. Honestly think it’s just par for the course.

Re: Many companies aren’t prepared to replace underperforming CEOs

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One of the C-level guys at my current company should have been replaced a while ago. He ruins everything he touches but he's also one of the founders. There are virtually no processes for anything which makes him untouchable. Whenever he fucks up, some PM or low level manager is fired due to their "low performance". Is there anything non C-levels can do about it? Honestly I don't think so, all you can do is avoid the…

I really think everyone under any manager/director/VP (directly or indirectly via skip levels) should be able to call a "vote of no confidence" and get them replaced with a majority vote. It's the only way to combat clueless leaders and raise issues like this.

This can only be done if workers have actual ownership stake in the company enough to do this.

Re: Many companies aren’t prepared to replace underperforming CEOs

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I've only seen a CEO let go once in my career. And it wasn't due to performance, it was due to an alleged sexual assault which quietly and quickly disappeared. I imagine with the various golden parachute clauses and valuable social connections with other companies (I'd wager there's some skeletons in closets being held hostage too), it's too damned expensive to let a CEO go for anything less than a scandal.

Well if a company's stock is down 42 percent like the average for fired CEO's in the article, it may also be way more expensive to keep them.

Are you counting CEO's that retired (ergo possibly forced out nicely) to spend time with family or whatever?

Re: Many companies aren’t prepared to replace underperforming CEOs

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One of the C-level guys at my current company should have been replaced a while ago. He ruins everything he touches but he's also one of the founders. There are virtually no processes for anything which makes him untouchable. Whenever he fucks up, some PM or low level manager is fired due to their "low performance". Is there anything non C-levels can do about it? Honestly I don't think so, all you can do is avoid the…

I really think everyone under any manager/director/VP (directly or indirectly via skip levels) should be able to call a "vote of no confidence" and get them replaced with a majority vote. It's the only way to combat clueless leaders and raise issues like this.

corporations are not democratic institutions

Re: Many companies aren’t prepared to replace underperforming CEOs

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In theory the Board's only job is to fire the CEO (and hire the next one) but if you've ever been to a board meeting they hardly are like that at all. They mainly are to align the company's "journey" with the "journey" of all the other companies the board members are involved with.

Discontinued website theyrule.net had a really cool visual web of board members of high profile companies [0]. Amazing how many board members of one company are board members of a handful of others. It's like there's a breed of person who is just "board member". [0] https://theyrule.net/

I once heard a joke that, in the right environment "If you know what you're doing and show a little enthusiasm, you'll wind up on 6 boards before you can turn around and realize what's happening".

It makes sense that certain types of people would wind up on a lot of boards very quickly.

Re: Many companies aren’t prepared to replace underperforming CEOs

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I've only seen a CEO let go once in my career. And it wasn't due to performance, it was due to an alleged sexual assault which quietly and quickly disappeared. I imagine with the various golden parachute clauses and valuable social connections with other companies (I'd wager there's some skeletons in closets being held hostage too), it's too damned expensive to let a CEO go for anything less than a scandal.

I've seen a few leave willingly to other similar companies before ever succeeding at the current one, or even doing poorly. The qualifications for the next CEO position seems to be that one was a CEO before, regardless of performance. Much like DC, after a certain level on the org chart, one "fails up".

Re: Many companies aren’t prepared to replace underperforming CEOs

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really think everyone under any manager/director/VP (directly or indirectly via skip levels) should be able to call a "vote of no confidence" and get them replaced with a majority vote. It's the only way to combat clueless leaders and raise issues like this.

corporations are not democratic institutions

maybe they should be

Re: Many companies aren’t prepared to replace underperforming CEOs

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One of the C-level guys at my current company should have been replaced a while ago. He ruins everything he touches but he's also one of the founders. There are virtually no processes for anything which makes him untouchable. Whenever he fucks up, some PM or low level manager is fired due to their "low performance". Is there anything non C-levels can do about it? Honestly I don't think so, all you can do is avoid the…

I’ve seen two situations one that sounds a bit like your is poorly managed but isn’t bad, one that is really bad:

1. Co-founder likes to make stuff, build stuff, sell stuff, raise money, etc. but does not like, or care for leading 50+ people. Typically he (always he) keeps the title, a small team of senior or very dedicated people, and do whatever he is actually good at. At the same time, a newly appointed, experienced VP does the actual management of the larger team, while nominally reporting to the CxO. This is a good way to avoid drama while the reality of the situation dawns on the co-founder: his report is doing all the grown-up work. You don’t like that work. It’s CxO type of work… so you shouldn't squat the title any longer. It takes a while, though.

The benefits: the VP has ample time and an incentive to prove they can handle the weirdness of a board, and get promoted to SVP, or CxO when their role gets more obvious. They are easier to replace if they underperform or don’t indulge in the CxO delusion long enough. It’s unfair, but it works and most people end up finding what they need in time.

2. Someone was CyO at the previous company, and was able to coast long enough while that first project crashed and burn. Before it did, that someone was hunted to be a new company to be CyO because… well, they look like they know what they are doing. No one at the new company knows what a good CyO does. So they can continue coasting. And it can hurt so many great people who need support.

I’ve seem both at the same time, and it’s painful to see so many people miss what is the problem.

“But so-and-so it’s really CxO!

— Who cares? VP of x is doing great work

— They fight with CyO all the time

— Yeah, because CyO is incompetent and does nothing…”

Titles don’t really matter: if someone has an inflated one, it shouldn’t make them too dangerous. Lack of feedback does: the CxO gets asked to work on special projects and is happy. The CyO is not told to get his shit together, and everyone suffers.

Re: Many companies aren’t prepared to replace underperforming CEOs

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One of the C-level guys at my current company should have been replaced a while ago. He ruins everything he touches but he's also one of the founders. There are virtually no processes for anything which makes him untouchable. Whenever he fucks up, some PM or low level manager is fired due to their "low performance". Is there anything non C-levels can do about it? Honestly I don't think so, all you can do is avoid the…

I really think everyone under any manager/director/VP (directly or indirectly via skip levels) should be able to call a "vote of no confidence" and get them replaced with a majority vote. It's the only way to combat clueless leaders and raise issues like this.

Resulting in the hiring of only people who agree with them

Re: Many companies aren’t prepared to replace underperforming CEOs

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One of the C-level guys at my current company should have been replaced a while ago. He ruins everything he touches but he's also one of the founders. There are virtually no processes for anything which makes him untouchable. Whenever he fucks up, some PM or low level manager is fired due to their "low performance". Is there anything non C-levels can do about it? Honestly I don't think so, all you can do is avoid the…

There’s nothing you can do because the companies are dictatorships or oligarchies at best, not democracies or meritocracies. If he’s the founder presumably he had enough ownership in the company to force the company to keep him in that position.

Changing that up requires a radical redesign of how companies are legally constrained in the US or a cultural change that causes an expectation of worker ownership so that they get a say. For examples look at Germany requiring a representative of the workers on company boards

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