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Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by illuminerdy »

erehweb wrote: post #21

Lots of people saying "Why is this lawsuit needed? Musk / Twitter HR would obviously comply with the law". Bear in mind that Musk has a history of not complying with legal obligations unless forced to (e.g. honoring the agreement to purchase Twitter).

> "Musk has a history of not complying with legal obligations unless forced to..."

In that case, Musk sounds very much like every government, business, politician, friend, family member and neighbor I've ever known.

In other words, that's how the world generally works.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by nomel »

55555 wrote: post #34

They didn't have enough advance notice? Didn't they have like 6 months of notice? Everyone knew that Elon was planning on doing mass layoffs after buying Twitter, a process which started many months ago.

Rumors and assumptions don't count as notice, in the eyes of the law.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by illuminerdy »

nathanvanfleet wrote: post #32
baidifnaoxi wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is exactly it. Terminated technically means, no longer receiving compensation or benefits. If Musk is basically saying “stop working” and we will pay you for the next 60 days (and even beyond), then this is completely legal as long as they are not restricted from seeking other employment during this “notice period” Edit: IANAL

It's almost as if Elon is being sued to ensure that he follows through with his obligations, since he's so consistently doesn't. Strange. It's like there is a purpose to the lawsuit.

Preemptive lawsuit's. To further tie up an already overburdened legal system.

I like how you think, my man.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by klyrs »

55555 wrote: post #34

They didn't have enough advance notice? Didn't they have like 6 months of notice? Everyone knew that Elon was planning on doing mass layoffs after buying Twitter, a process which started many months ago.

Just like Trump can't declassify documents with his mind, there are proper procedures to be followed. Each individual needs to be given notice. Six months ago, he didn't have the ability to make that decision and it wasn't a sure thing and he spent much of the meantime trying to wriggle out of the deal.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by cronix »

voxl wrote: post #18
NoblePublius wrote: post #14

There is no WARN act violation if the employee receives 60 days of severance and some consideration for vesting. Is there any evidence that didn’t happen?

Is the lawsuit itself not evidence? Do you think employees are sitting there thinking "let's waste money and time on a lawsuit that will have no impact." There must have been some good faith believe that Musk had no intention of providing severance. Is that really so hard to believe from the outside?

Until, and if, it's heard by a court, a lawsuit is just a one sided opinion.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by awb »

Turing_Machine wrote: post #26
awb wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

3,700 employees @ $500/day would be $1.85M / day. Ouch.

Musk is worth $220 billion. At $1.85 million/day, he'd go broke in only 325 years. I don't think it's a major worry for him.

1 month is $55M in fines at that rate. 300k verified users paying $8/month is $2.4M.

If he's making a big deal about bringing in single digit millions per month to "pay the bills", you'd think he'd care about double-digit million fines, but who knows. He has more FU money than anyone else alive.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by trap_goes_hot »

voxl wrote: post #18
NoblePublius wrote: post #14

There is no WARN act violation if the employee receives 60 days of severance and some consideration for vesting. Is there any evidence that didn’t happen?

Is the lawsuit itself not evidence? Do you think employees are sitting there thinking "let's waste money and time on a lawsuit that will have no impact." There must have been some good faith believe that Musk had no intention of providing severance. Is that really so hard to believe from the outside?

There is really no point arguing over beliefs, it's easier to settle things with facts/data. "humans are logical and act rationally" has never been a good apriori.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by mikestew »

rickstanley wrote: post #33
mikestew wrote: post #16

Can we please fix the title? Not only is it incomplete and makes no sense, it also got butchered such that it is now wrong. Original: "Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs without proper legal notice" At least replace the "with" with "without".

The original title is 11 characters too long for submission.

I didn't ask for the original title, I asked that the title be fixed. As an example, removing "mass employee" gets under the limit and leaves a title that's a lot more clear than what's up there now. "Twitter faces lawsuit..." gets you there, several ways of shortening without losing much meaning.

HN guidelines ask that the original be used. But if original is too long, we should at least try to leave something that makes sense and doesn't incorrectly flip Boolean flags.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by WoahNoun »

illuminerdy wrote: post #41
erehweb wrote: post #21

Lots of people saying "Why is this lawsuit needed? Musk / Twitter HR would obviously comply with the law". Bear in mind that Musk has a history of not complying with legal obligations unless forced to (e.g. honoring the agreement to purchase Twitter).

> "Musk has a history of not complying with legal obligations unless forced to..." In that case, Musk sounds very much like every government, business, politician, friend, family member and neighbor I've ever known. In other words, that's how the world generally works.

Musk was openly antagonistic to an agreement he signed that waved all due diligence. In my business experience, most entities that sign a contract try to honor that contract. Musk does not. He tries to use his money and power to find every loophole in every business deal. It's shady, it's deceptive, and it's not conducive to long-term success.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by rtkwe »

pb7 wrote: post #35
nathanvanfleet wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's almost as if Elon is being sued to ensure that he follows through with his obligations, since he's so consistently doesn't. Strange. It's like there is a purpose to the lawsuit.

That's not how lawsuits work. You don't sue someone for something they might do with zero indication that they will. When you buy a company headquartered in California and elect to layoff half of it, you probably know your legal obligations.

The person suing got their termination notification on 11/1 so I imaging they know more about what their termination actually entails than you or I do.

Also Musk consistently pushes and oversteps the legal boundaries of what he can and can't do to get his way. Him being in charge of Twitter at all is because he was forced to execute a contract he willingly signed what makes you think he'll be more calmly compliant to laws?

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