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Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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All of my layoffs had post termination pay to satisfy federal and state law. HR stressed that we were on salary (without working) during the termination period and that leaving would negate benefits. Once this period ended, there were usual benefits like n weeks per year of employment. Blatantly ignoring the rules just invites lawsuits and weakens em’s position. Sux how rules and established norms of behaviour restri…

Just curious which state was that where they had to give severance? I'm in a US state that does not require anything after termination.

Mass and Kansas. I can’t say whether the state required additional payments above what’s legally required (60 day notice) but they needed to give something to get people to sign things like termination agreements and non disclosures. Having just been laid off, they weren’t all that willing to be nice and all that.

If you want to be a jerk, that influences future hiring chances both ways. Most companies expect to need to hire at some point in the future.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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> Additional plaintiffs, Justine De Caires, Jessica Pan, and Grae Kindel said they were terminated on November 3 by being locked out of their accounts. > Under Twitter’s takeover deal terms, Musk had agreed to keep employee compensation and benefits the same. That means the laid-off employees should receive 60 days of salary and the cash value of the stock they were to receive within three months of their last date a…

This is exactly it. Terminated technically means, no longer receiving compensation or benefits. If Musk is basically saying “stop working” and we will pay you for the next 60 days (and even beyond), then this is completely legal as long as they are not restricted from seeking other employment during this “notice period” Edit: IANAL

It's almost as if Elon is being sued to ensure that he follows through with his obligations, since he's so consistently doesn't. Strange. It's like there is a purpose to the lawsuit.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Can we please fix the title? Not only is it incomplete and makes no sense, it also got butchered such that it is now wrong. Original: "Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs without proper legal notice" At least replace the "with" with "without".

The original title is 11 characters too long for submission.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is exactly it. Terminated technically means, no longer receiving compensation or benefits. If Musk is basically saying “stop working” and we will pay you for the next 60 days (and even beyond), then this is completely legal as long as they are not restricted from seeking other employment during this “notice period” Edit: IANAL

It's almost as if Elon is being sued to ensure that he follows through with his obligations, since he's so consistently doesn't. Strange. It's like there is a purpose to the lawsuit.

That's not how lawsuits work. You don't sue someone for something they might do with zero indication that they will. When you buy a company headquartered in California and elect to layoff half of it, you probably know your legal obligations.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

3,700 employees @ $500/day would be $1.85M / day. Ouch.

Musk is worth $220 billion. At $1.85 million/day, he'd go broke in only 325 years. I don't think it's a major worry for him.

I have seen a lot of sentiment wonder "why some people do not like Elmo Musk".

This fact is probably something close to why I personally don't like the guy: he comes across as a personified avatar of the fact that laws don't really apply to folks with those kinds of resources, and that us peons have literally no recourse when faced with a rich person who wants to do whatever they feel like doing.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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> it’s seeking a range of relief, including compensatory damages (including wages owed), as well as declaratory relief, pre- and post-judgment interest, plus other attorneys’ fees and costs. So, the penalty is paying workers the wages they would have been paid anyway under proper notice, plus interest? So for basically ~5-8% more Musk gets to terminate everyone today instead of in 60 days.

The stunning thing is that he didn't consult a proper lawyer that would have told him how to avoid the lawsuit.

> he didn't consult a proper lawyer

Do you have any evidence for this?

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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post #34

They didn't have enough advance notice? Didn't they have like 6 months of notice? Everyone knew that Elon was planning on doing mass layoffs after buying Twitter, a process which started many months ago.

IANAL, but "everyone knew" probably doesn't constitute "proper legal notice".
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