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Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

#921

Reddit has terrible moderation. So bad that it's a literal joke/meme at this point, down to a personal level in some cases even. Why would anyone ask for moderation advice in that general direction? To get a script on what not to do?

Sure, at this point. Yishan resigned from Reddit in 2014.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

#922

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Social networks work because people enjoy using them. As people tell their friends about the network, they use it, and network effects allow it to grow. As it grows, its brand is established. Twitter is a distant fourth or fifth place network because, as it is, most people do not enjoy using it. Its Brand is wildly seen as synonymous with toxic parts of our culture. And your plan is to make it worse and then charge p…

It really depends on how you use it. Just based on your attitude it's clear you're engaging with bad stuff and then blaming that on the greater experience of the app/network as a whole. If you follow a bunch of politics stuff (which is inherently inflammatory) or seek out arguments with people you know you disagree with, yeah, you're not going to have a good time. You can only follow bible quotes and motivation accou…

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Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

#923
post #832

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It’s funny you mention the 14th Amendment. It is a little over 150 years old. For the first century interracial marriage wasn't on the list of protections provided by the 14th. When enough people consistently say you shouldn't be allowed to do something, we won't allow you to do it. When enough people say you should be allowed, you will be. Maybe that is cynical, but that is life in a democracy. Churchill was right a…

> It is a little over 150 years old. Not everywhere in the world. I’ve spent 40 years in a country without one. > When enough people consistently say you shouldn't be allowed to do something, we won't allow you to do it. Exactly. You guys can lose your 1st amendment pretty quickly.

>Exactly. You guys can lose your 1st amendment pretty quickly.

The example of the 14th Amendment was meant to show that these amendments don't have some innate meaning or special true power. The 1st Amendment only ever means what the majority wants it to mean (a loose definition of majority, the US is a republic not a democracy, etc.).

We will never lose the 1st Amendment, however we are constantly having a debate over what the 1st Amendment actually means. From a practical perspective, your rights are not innate or god given, they are majority given. That is how these systems work and no one has yet found a system that can improve on that approach.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

#924
post #586

In the US, where Twitter & Facebook are dominant, the current consensus in the public mind is that political polarization and radicalization are driven by the social media algorithms. However, I have always felt that this explanation was lacking. Here in Brazil we have many of the same problems but the dominant social media are Whatsapp group chats, which have no algorithms whatsoever (other than invisible spam filte…

The big tell that its not all social medias fault is that the narrative changes with the decade on the exact cause even if the outcome of radicalization is the same. 25 years ago people were blaming AM radio hosts for political radicalization. The only truth imo is that radicalization is highly profitable so media will favor it on any platform that is in vogue.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

#925

Every single social media platform that has ever existed makes the same fundamental mistake. They believe that they just have to remove or block the bad actors and bad content and that will make the platform good. The reality is everyone , myself included, can be and will be a bad actor. How do you build and run a "social media" product when the very act of letting anyone respond to anyone with anything is itself the…

What about fox news? AM radio? These are bastions of radicalization but they dont let anyone come on and say anything. At the end of the day this sort of rhetoric played by these groups is taught in university communications classes as a way to exert influence. Its all just propaganda at the end of the day, and that can come in the form of a pamphlet, or a meeting in a town hall, or from some talking head on tv, or a tweet. Social media is just another avenue for propaganda to manifest just like how the printing press is.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

#926

Every single social media platform that has ever existed makes the same fundamental mistake. They believe that they just have to remove or block the bad actors and bad content and that will make the platform good. The reality is everyone , myself included, can be and will be a bad actor. How do you build and run a "social media" product when the very act of letting anyone respond to anyone with anything is itself the…

It's not a mistake. It's a PR strategy. Social media companies are training people to blame content and each other for the effects that are produced by design, algorithms and moderation. This reassigns blame away from things that those companies control (but don't want to change) to things that aren't considered "their fault".

Its really all media not just social media that profits from propaganda. Turn on CNN. You might agree with what they are saying versus what the talking heads on fox news are saying, but they use the same state of constant panic style of reporting because that works really well to fix eyeballs on advertisements, both overt ones and the more subtle ones that happen during the programming.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

#927

Every single social media platform that has ever existed makes the same fundamental mistake. They believe that they just have to remove or block the bad actors and bad content and that will make the platform good. The reality is everyone , myself included, can be and will be a bad actor. How do you build and run a "social media" product when the very act of letting anyone respond to anyone with anything is itself the…

It sounds like a insurmountable problem. What makes this even more interesting to me is that HN seems to have this working pretty well. I wonder how much of it has to do with clear guidelines of what should be valued and what shouldn't and having a community that buys in to that. For example one learns quickly that Reddit-style humor comments are frowned upon because the community enforces it with downvotes and frequ…

The only thing HN has going for it imo is its size. Once it becomes a larger and therefore more attractive market for media, the propaganda will be a lot more heavy handed, like what happened to reddit as it grew from something no one used and into a mainstream platform. You definitely see propaganda posted on here already from time to time.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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post #471

I recently started my own Discord server and had my first experience in content moderation. The demographics is mostly teenagers. Some have mental health issues. It was the hardest thing ever. In first incident I chose to ignore a certain user being targeted by others for posting repeated messages. The person left a very angry message and left. Comes the second incident, I thought I learnt my lesson. Once a user is t…

Someone asked a dumb question, I replied in good faith. The conversation goes on and on and becomes weirder and weirder, until the person said "You shouldn't have replied me.", and left. Haha wtf, why would they do that?

> The demographics is mostly teenagers.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

#929

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Remember keybase.io? They still exist, but not as a cross-platform identity system anymore.

Yeah, but it never had Elon Musk backing it and or was an established app the likes of Twitter is.

Zuckerberg would claim that Facebook is the defacto identity service. I see no reason why Twitter would function any better at this.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

#930
post #137

It's kinda funny that many of the problems he's mentioning is exactly how moderation on reddit currently works. Hell, newly revamped "block user" mode got extra gaslighting as a feature, now person blocked can't reply to anyone under the comment of person that blocked them, not just the person that blocked them so anyone that doesn't like people discussing how they are wrong can just ban the people that disagree with…

How is that gaslighting?

Gaslight: "manipulate (someone) by psychological means into questioning their own sanity." Definition from Oxford Languages

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