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THe issue we all have here is this: if Musk is successful then treating employees nicely will fall out of fashion. Tech was a bastion of "treat your employees right, and they'll be productive". Musk is not a proponent of that. He is a micromanaging, capricious, easily distracted, arrogant and vindictive CEO. If twitter thrives then we can expect copycats to try and spread his shitty work philosophy (like everyone ido…

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I do agree there's a lot of people in tech who don't work hard and the problem has only gotten worse recently. I personally appreciate a blue collar approach to development. Don't be arrogant, do what you say you will and make sure that you're putting in your 40-50 hours a week of work, not 20 hours of work and 20 hours of ping-pong and bullshitting. Above all, be a professional.

However, if you think for a second that you can replace US developers, building products for Americans with someone from Nigeria you are off your ass. The hardest part of software development isn't yolo-ing code into an IDE. It's collecting requirements, troubleshooting and translating that into both code and requirements docs for other teams.

This is hard for native english speakers and approaching impossible for offshore teams. It works reasonable well with teams in the Americas because the timezones are close and the culture/language barriers aren't as high.

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I’d be more likely to work with Twitter now to be frank. Elon is obviously trying to implement an engineering lead organisation where coding and productivity are valued. A lot of these companies tend to be manager heavy, I’ve worked in places where it seemed over half the people in meetings were managers or other unproductive people. It frequently felt like these people were stifling the work as they all had their ow…

Given how Musk treats employees, I was wondering where the kind of sycophant ready to sacrifice their life at the altar of an uncaring billionaire actually existed.

Glad to know they exist

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And so the grand experiment begins. I feel bad for the folks losing their job because that always sucks, and I hope there's a decent severance package. Now we'll see what happens to Twitter... I hardly use it, so if it implodes it won't bother me too much. But I am curious to see if all the "how do you need X people to do Y?" commenters are correct in this case. The app is simple but doing simple things at scale is h…

> Anyone want to make predictions about the state of Twitter in a few years? what I hope is that it shrinks to about 1/20th its current size. And then many many smaller platforms spring up. I think one thing that makes social media hard to manage is the sheer scale. It's likely much easier to manage/moderate a smaller social network than a huge one. Also, it wouldn't be as dramatic to be kicked off a platform because…

> 1/20th its current size. And then many many smaller platforms spring up

That's not how social networks work because the bigger they are the more useful they are to users.

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Really? On which other platform can you directly communicate (or at least listen to, unfiltered) to the worlds dictators, political leaders, and billionaires?

Twitter has destroyed public discourse. It has turned conversations into contents to be as short and as edgy as possible. I’m sorry you don’t see that.

153 characters, in response to a message 152 characters in length. Did these shorter-than-twitter lengths destroy this discourse?

Re: Twitter’s mass layoffs have begun

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THe issue we all have here is this: if Musk is successful then treating employees nicely will fall out of fashion. Tech was a bastion of "treat your employees right, and they'll be productive". Musk is not a proponent of that. He is a micromanaging, capricious, easily distracted, arrogant and vindictive CEO. If twitter thrives then we can expect copycats to try and spread his shitty work philosophy (like everyone ido…

Then stop being employees. Jesus Christ, you people take those massive salaried yet act like little children throwing tantrums because you fear your boss may not coddle you as much.

It's funny how the most privileged act the most spoiled. Imagine steel plant workers or car manufacturing jobs. Demand goes down? So does your job --union or not.

WallStreet is used to the ups and downs (they are somewhat comparable compensation-wise), and it's a way of life. You win big and you lose from time time. In tech you have some people who think it's their birthright to have good jobs with good pay and benefits and never have to go through a downturn.

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> They made a ton of cash, will likely get a lot of severance, and work in an industry and area where it is easy to do that with their experience. Is that all one's life boils down to?

When you take a job at a consistently unprofitable company, you kinda have to accept that's what you signed up for. Every job at Twitter is a speculative bet that might or might not pan out. I'm not saying they're not allowed to feel bad or complain about it, but a sale followed by rapid staff cuts is what always happens to startups who don't do well enough on their own.

Re: Twitter’s mass layoffs have begun

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THe issue we all have here is this: if Musk is successful then treating employees nicely will fall out of fashion. Tech was a bastion of "treat your employees right, and they'll be productive". Musk is not a proponent of that. He is a micromanaging, capricious, easily distracted, arrogant and vindictive CEO. If twitter thrives then we can expect copycats to try and spread his shitty work philosophy (like everyone ido…

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If actors and football players can unionize so can software developers. There’s no point in intentionally allowing our peers to be treated worse, because then it allows our bosses to treat us just as badly. The most famous actors have all the power to demand better and yet are still part the guild because the demands they can make actually rise as the floor of actor treatment also rises.

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I don't care a lot about Twitter itself, and I'm willing to entertain the notion that it could function equally "well" with a much smaller fraction of the workforce...

But this is something that should be implemented gradually. Here is someone who just stepped into the company, and he's laying off people en masse. Even if you concede that Musk is some sort of genius (which I don't, but that's besides the point), that doesn't mean that you can just walk into a company and tell from day 1 who is productive and who isn't. And even if you could, making redundancies obsolete isn't something you can just do in one go, even if certain people and processes are inefficient there would probably be a need for a transition period where the institutional knowledge can be transferred.

Given everything else I know about Musk and this deal, this looks to me like a knee-jerk action, not a careful business decision.

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I dont understand the SpaceX argument since he was an actual original founder if I'm not mistaken, I could see the Tesla argument, but those people never provide any true insight into how he is riding on Teslas former success whenever I run into those (not to mention, if it was so good... why did they need a new CEO). I think it's pretty obvious he is a capable individual, overly ambitious at times, but hey, he someh…

As an ex spacex employee I can definitely say that it wouldn’t have been half the company today if Musk want in charge. Not a fanboy but trying to give an honest evaluation. Space is crazy hard and doesn’t happen without brilliant people so of course the credit for the success of the company goes to the engineers and everyone that gave some of their best work to making it happen though that type of success doesn’t ha…

He has done a fantastic job at fundraising for SpaceX. Most other companies can't get past Series G as a private company. I think SpaceX is on series N, or around there. The talent pool available to SpaceX and Tesla is also very smart and motivated, and will put up with a lot of BS from the companies because they are so mission-driven.

That is his really great talent: getting smart people to put their resources behind ambitious projects. That was also Elizabeth Holmes's talent, and Adam Neumann's. So far, he has done well at pivoting that inspiring message to real results, unlike the other two.

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