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Re: I fought the PayPal and I won

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Post by MerelyMortal » Fri, Nov 04, 2022, 1:24 PM UTC

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #179

hairybobbins wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you find this offensive? Wright's key points regarding 'sex realism', as I understand them, are that sex is not a spectrum (as many people are claiming these days) but a male-female binary, and that sex is still an important characteristic in many circumstances, such that it cannot realistically be supplanted by 'gender identity' or similar. Seems like a reasonable viewpoint to me, and not one that would gener…

It may SEEM like a reasonable viewpoint to you, but it's not grounded in reality. Saying sex is a binary is excluding anyone that doesn't fit within that binary. And if that's something you can't imagine, then it's not a subject you should have or voice an opinion on.

> if that's something you can't imagine, then it's not a subject you should have or voice an opinion on.

That's a dangerous thought process. Silencing people who don't understand things surely cannot be good as a whole.

Re: I fought the PayPal and I won

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Post by Havoc » Fri, Nov 04, 2022, 1:24 PM UTC

tluyben2 wrote: post #36

PayPal is such a weird company. I was a loyal customer for 20 years until I wanted to convert my account from business to personal (I closed the business) and the site refused to do so. after months of calls with support, it became clear that no one was able to do this (something locked the flow and no one was able to see what; I guess my account was so ancient, it has some db flags no longer used but still checked b…

Same for transferring accounts to a different country. Can’t be done according to their useless help line. Has to be closed and reopened under a different email addr according to them

Re: I fought the PayPal and I won

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Post by Kye » Fri, Nov 04, 2022, 1:25 PM UTC

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #173

ggreer wrote: post #17

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There's a way to bring stuff like this up on HN that won't result in...well, you see the replies. Yes he is a bigot, and I know this from reading his own comments (not from hearsay as his defenders like to assume), but even as The Choir I find this comment a bit unhelpful. It's a one-liner and a link. Not even with an anchor to the part of the wiki that addresses this.

Re: I fought the PayPal and I won

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Post by rippercushions » Fri, Nov 04, 2022, 1:25 PM UTC

wsc981 wrote: post #147

rippercushions wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I lost access to a PayPal account I had used for years, because one day they decided they needed to know the CVV of a long-expired credit card, and refused to let me log in without it. Surprisingly, customer support was very helpful and let me transfer out the (minimal) balance in the account to another, completely unconnected PayPal business account I happened to have. Which is even more disconcerting, because it me…

> I lost access to a PayPal account I had used for years, because one day they decided they needed to know the CVV of a long-expired credit card, and refused to let me log in without it. LOL, I kinda had the same issue, but I had to remember the last 4 numbers of some old credit card. Couldn't find it in any email, so yeah ... couldn't use my Paypal anymore.

This was a while ago, so maybe it was the four digits and not the CVV for me as we? Not sure, but I do recall that the card was waaaaay expired (as in, a decade ago) and it took me a while to figure out what card they were even referring to.

Re: I fought the PayPal and I won

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Post by photochemsyn » Fri, Nov 04, 2022, 1:29 PM UTC

This piece demonstrates excellent writing skills - bits of humor interspere information-dense sections on legalese, allowing the reader to easily absorb the information.

As far as the byzantine arbitration process described here, signed off on by the US Supreme Court and adopted across most of the corporate world, with the obvious intent of making it hard for ordinary citizens to sue corporations for damages, see this quote:

"Control the coinage and the courts -- let the rabble have the rest." Thus the Padishah Emperor advises you. And he tells you: "If you want profits, you must rule." There is truth in these words, but I ask myself: "Who are the rabble and who are the ruled?"

-Dune, by Frank Herbert

Re: I fought the PayPal and I won

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Post by vehemenz » Fri, Nov 04, 2022, 1:29 PM UTC

cflynnus wrote: post #139

bitcoin fixes this

...while introducing ten other issues.

Re: I fought the PayPal and I won

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Post by staticman2 » Fri, Nov 04, 2022, 1:30 PM UTC

Jon_Lowtek wrote: post #101

> the contract you “agreed” to means you are legally not allowed to take them to a real court. Your only recourse is arbitration. americans can sign away their rights to sue at their own courts? That seems wrong. For me, as a german, the paypal contract reads that i can escalate a conflict to the EU consumer protection agency or the french regulatory authority for financial institutions (which signs their banking lic…

The U.S. congress passed a law a while back making arbitration terms in contracts legally enforceable.

Re: I fought the PayPal and I won

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Post by WaitWaitWha » Fri, Nov 04, 2022, 1:30 PM UTC

> the strongest criticism for me [for Arbitration,] is its lack of transparency.

... and the incentive for an arbitrator to favour the corporation for repeat business.

Re: I fought the PayPal and I won

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Post by linuxftw » Fri, Nov 04, 2022, 1:31 PM UTC

rocqua wrote: post #156

Maursault wrote: post #22

> While PayPal is technically a private company that can work with basically whoever it wants for whatever reason, its centralized role as an online payment processor makes this a weirdly potent free speech fight. > He did share correspondence with me where prominent free speech attorneys told him, in an apparent contradiction to my claims, that he had no viable legal recourse to getting his account reinstated. Thoug…

The first amendment is not the end-all and be-all of 'free speech'. Heck, the literal phrasing is "Congress shall not abridging the freedom of speech". The fact that congress is mentioned means that others can also abridge the freedom of speech. Note that 'abridge' means diminish in scope. If your boss says "If you say ducks are nice, you will be fired" that affects your freedom of speech. It isn't a first-amendment…

Unless it's religious speech, which IMO, should cover all political speech because of anti-discrimination laws.

Re: I fought the PayPal and I won

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Post by jibe » Fri, Nov 04, 2022, 1:39 PM UTC

photochemsyn wrote: post #215

This piece demonstrates excellent writing skills - bits of humor interspere information-dense sections on legalese, allowing the reader to easily absorb the information. As far as the byzantine arbitration process described here, signed off on by the US Supreme Court and adopted across most of the corporate world, with the obvious intent of making it hard for ordinary citizens to sue corporations for damages, see thi…

There should be real skepticism about arbitration in user agreements, but didn’t make it easier in this case? Only someone rich or famous enough to entice a free lawyer could afford to sue PayPal over a suspended account. But many many more people could afford to try arbitration.