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Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by CoolCold »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #29
bitwize wrote: post #19

Makes me think of Eric S. Raymond's erotic fanfic: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=8764 If this is going to be a desktop offering from Microsoft, I think it will be for remote cloud and potentially WSL2 use only. The future of desktop Linux is a VM under Windows.

I fully disagree with this. WSL has only from my perspective gave Linux Desktop a bad name due to many poor choices and performance. It has gotten better, but you still need someway to deploy Windows and Windows deployment automation sucks and is bloated. Why would a user want to run a lightweight desktop inside a legacy spyware one?

Some people like me, don't need much except basic shell/terminal from Linux and WSL suits very well here.

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by coldacid »

thrown_22 wrote: post #147
walterbell wrote: post #106

Microsoft employs primary maintainers of the Linux kernel (gregkh) and systemd (Lennart Poettering), among other Linux contributors. (correction: gregkh works for Linux Foundation, Sasha Levin works for MS). Azure Sphere OS for embedded is based on the Linux kernel, https://static.sched.com/hosted_files/ossna19/91/Crossover_E... There's also their NOS for merchant silicon whitebox networking, https://www.linuxfoundat…

>systemd (Lennart Poettering) I see they are still going strong on the embrace, extend extinguish strategy.

To be fair, systemd started when Poettering was at Red Hat. He was EEEing Linux even before he was at Microsoft :^)

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by dTal »

josephg wrote: post #73
mastax wrote: post #17

Imagine writing Linux From Scratch and someone from Microsoft reads it and uses it to make a Linux distribution that goes on to power dozens of that trillion-dollar company's products. To be clear, I'm not saying that "you should be outraged," necessarily. It's just an interesting thing.

Imagine being ok with trillion dollar companies using opensource code you wrote, for free. Imagine if the people who work at those companies aren't your enemy. But instead are potential customers and potential collaborators, who see value in your work and want it to succeed. Imagine if there was a good implementation of some idea, expressed as code. And we can all share and contribute to that single good implementati…

>Why shouldn't big businesses use my code? The better opensource companies (Google, new Microsoft, Facebook, etc) contribute back to the community in all sorts of ways; and I consider that a net positive on the world.

Because free software is in a constant battle for relevance, and they will use your code to make their proprietary offerings strictly superior to the free ones. What do you think would happen if Autodesk were permitted to fork Blender into a paid product, extend it in all sorts of proprietary ways, and push it heavily through advertising campaigns and educational subsidies? Blender would die, is what.

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by dTal »

LeFantome wrote: post #160
josephg wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine being ok with trillion dollar companies using opensource code you wrote, for free. Imagine if the people who work at those companies aren't your enemy. But instead are potential customers and potential collaborators, who see value in your work and want it to succeed. Imagine if there was a good implementation of some idea, expressed as code. And we can all share and contribute to that single good implementati…

I agree. Being ok with big company participation gets you Linux and / or FreeBSD. Not being ok with it gets you HURD. I am ok with it.

Erm, Linux is GPL. Apple built on BSD. Which is doing better?

Participation != appropriation.

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by Kukumber »

happymellon wrote: post #173
Kukumber wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's very sad how linux ended up being eaten alive, rotten deep inside Devuan [1] or freebsd it is for me until an alternative emerges [1] - https://www.devuan.org/

How is Linux "rotten"?

It's full of corporates with self-interests

system-d being spread everywhere is a side-effect of that

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by account42 »

saghm wrote: post #61
zxspectrum1982 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can install RPMs on Debian but most probably you will run into filesystem-level conflicts with DEB packages. But if you are rebuilding your own Debian-based distro, nothing prevents you from packaging everything into RPMs instead of DEBs and that's see. Not that I see the point of that, though.

From what I understand, most of the package-level tools (dpkg, rpm, etc.) will technically work on any Linux system; you just wouldn't be able to share dependency management with whatever the native package management system is, so as mentioned elsewhere in the thread, dealing with file conflicts would be one annoying issue. I think using the repository-level tooling (apt, yum/dnf, etc.) on distros they're not the de…

If you are neither using the distro's packages nor the distro's native tooling then in what way is it based on that distro?

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by bayindirh »

Kukumber wrote: post #205
happymellon wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is Linux "rotten"?

It's full of corporates with self-interests system-d being spread everywhere is a side-effect of that

Linux was always being developed with companies, and with their self interests. It's the same with BSDs too.

Yes, we also add what we like and what we want to see, but companies employ these developers to implement what they need inside Linux.

We have kernel-bypass-networking because of Cloudflare. BSD has extremely fast networking because Netflix and other companies needed it, Linux has better power management because server needed it, etc., etc.

I also have points which I don't like with systemd, but companies are neither new, nor they're gonna leave Linux alone (and, they shouldn't).

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by [deleted] »

bayindirh wrote: post #184
rcarmo wrote: post #183

I have zero to do with Mariner, but I would just like to point out that nobody seems to have actually read the distro docs. I see it as a way to have end-to-end supply chain management for critical components that are used across multiple MS workloads, and not as something directly targeted at customers, so all the conspiracy theories in this HN thread are incredibly amusing. Everyone’s free to use it, though. The en…

> so all the conspiracy theories in this HN thread are incredibly amusing. Microsoft may be just doing something for their needs, and putting in the open like a good citizen of the FOSS world, but the older people who remembers whatever happened back in the day have all their rights to be paranoid about MS. "Eh, this is the old Microsoft, today's one is different" is just a sentence. They still don't (and probably ne…

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