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UK to hand over Chagos back to Mauritius

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Re: UK to hand over Chagos back to Mauritius

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Pop! Here we go. Argentina has entered the chat. Claims over the Falkland Islands are likely getting dusted once again, right side of the Andes.

Cases are very different and the outcome here has no bearing on the Falklands even if Argentina might try to claim otherwise.

Re: UK to hand over Chagos back to Mauritius

#12

Pop! Here we go. Argentina has entered the chat. Claims over the Falkland Islands are likely getting dusted once again, right side of the Andes.

Absolutely not, the principle is self-determination which means we keep the Falklands by a very clear margin.

Re: UK to hand over Chagos back to Mauritius

#13

Pop! Here we go. Argentina has entered the chat. Claims over the Falkland Islands are likely getting dusted once again, right side of the Andes.

Undemocratic countries do not like self determination.

If the vast majority of people who were born and live in a region want to be an independent country, that's their call. That could be Scotland, Falklands, Catalonia, Northern Cyprus, Texas, Ceuta, Crimea, Tibet, Hong Kong, Quebec, Reunion, etc. If they want to be part of another country then it's still their call, but obviously the other country also has to agree.

(I accept there's probably some discussion about how recent immigrants count, and the size or duration of the majority to make something change but the principal of self determination is one of the most basic rights people have)

Re: UK to hand over Chagos back to Mauritius

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Nobody can blame people wanting to return to their homes. But if I were in their shoes I'd be very careful about what their new government will do next.

People of Chagos were useful as a leverage and international shaming tool. But once they return, and islands go to Mauritius ... they will be tiny, economically deprived minority, sitting so far unexploited resource trove. And you can ask East Timor how that goes.

The marine protection area, one of the largest in the world, is obviously going to disappear. UN calls it illegitimate land grab, and it technically is, so without the only backer (UK), there will be nothing holding back exploitation.

Re: UK to hand over Chagos back to Mauritius

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Back? They weren't populated until the British brought them there and were never a Mauritian property. Futhermore the only people who lived there were there as employees of the Chagos Agalega Company. From 1838 onwards. It's like getting a job on an oil rig and demanding you get to keep the rig. The fog of pseudo history written in terms of marxist terminology descends on our civilisation determined to rewrite realit…

The Chagos were part of Mauritius until the UK split it at independence in order to provide a military base to the US and they expelled the inhabitants in the process...

It was never Mauritian. I think what you mean is it was part of the British territory in the region prior to gaining independence.

Mauritius itself was an unpopulated island before being discovered by the Dutch. The Dutch have more claim to call themselves indigenous to Mauritius than most Mauritians

Re: UK to hand over Chagos back to Mauritius

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post #13

Pop! Here we go. Argentina has entered the chat. Claims over the Falkland Islands are likely getting dusted once again, right side of the Andes.

Undemocratic countries do not like self determination. If the vast majority of people who were born and live in a region want to be an independent country, that's their call. That could be Scotland, Falklands, Catalonia, Northern Cyprus, Texas, Ceuta, Crimea, Tibet, Hong Kong, Quebec, Reunion, etc. If they want to be part of another country then it's still their call, but obviously the other country also has to agree…

8% population increase since last census (2016). https://www.falklands.gov.fk/policy/2021-census/census

> Almost 70% of the population identifies as Falkland Islanders, British, or a combination of both. The diversity of national identities almost doubled compared to 2016, with 86 different nationalities counted, and more people identify as being a Falkland Islander in addition to their cultural background.

Re: UK to hand over Chagos back to Mauritius

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Chagos were part of Mauritius until the UK split it at independence in order to provide a military base to the US and they expelled the inhabitants in the process...

It was never Mauritian. I think what you mean is it was part of the British territory in the region prior to gaining independence. Mauritius itself was an unpopulated island before being discovered by the Dutch. The Dutch have more claim to call themselves indigenous to Mauritius than most Mauritians

The Chagos did belong to Mauritius until 1965, beyond that I think the most problematic in this case, which kept it an open issue, is that the British then deported all the inhabitants and refused that they come back. And yes, all those countries are ultimately creations of European colonial times but that's irrelevant.

Re: UK to hand over Chagos back to Mauritius

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Undemocratic countries do not like self determination. If the vast majority of people who were born and live in a region want to be an independent country, that's their call. That could be Scotland, Falklands, Catalonia, Northern Cyprus, Texas, Ceuta, Crimea, Tibet, Hong Kong, Quebec, Reunion, etc. If they want to be part of another country then it's still their call, but obviously the other country also has to agree…

8% population increase since last census (2016). https://www.falklands.gov.fk/policy/2021-census/census > Almost 70% of the population identifies as Falkland Islanders, British, or a combination of both. The diversity of national identities almost doubled compared to 2016, with 86 different nationalities counted, and more people identify as being a Falkland Islander in addition to their cultural background.

Falklands is a clear example of the entire population wanting to keep the status quo[0], there's no movement to change that on the island - no groups campaigning for it etc. There's no "both sides" to it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Falkland_Islands_sovereig...

Gibraltar was the same, but then brexit came, so not sure if that has swung opinion but I don't think. In 2002 87% of the total registered to vote voted to remain the same.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Gibraltar_sovereignty_ref...

Catalonia probably wants independence (40% voted for it in 2017), and should have a decent referendum and debate with independence as an option, the travesty of the referendum just shows how undemocratic Spain is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Catalan_independence_refe...

New Caledonia on the other hand wants to retain the status quo, although not much. Maybe in 30 years time that will have changed, and there's certainly both valid sides of the conversation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_New_Caledonian_independen...

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