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Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by encryptluks2 »

BeefWellington wrote: post #162
borissk wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As everyone else you're living in a bubble. In your bubble people probably do hate Windows. Given HN origin in the Silicon Valley - where macOS and Linux are very popular - probably the majority of HN users also hate Windows. But that doesn't say anything about the majority of the developers out there. From my experience Python and Ruby guys usually do use Linux and macOS, while .NET and Java devs run almost always W…

The overwhelming majority of developers I interact with these days are on MacOS, and it's not even close. Probably a 80-20 MacOS to Windows ratio. I'm not in Silicon Valley, and I work with people from lots of different companies. Every company that offers the option for devs to have a Macbook, that seems to be what the "average" dev is choosing for a while now. This is obviously an anecdotal sample size but I'm look…

Same... a lot of it has to do with just the convenience of Mac shell being more native than the janky WSL implementation that does take time to startup and is noticeable, and not having to worry about a translation layer for volumes.

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by encryptluks2 »

gtirloni wrote: post #65
encryptluks2 wrote: post #26

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LFS wouldn't be the ideal disto to create a Linux distribution. It might be good to help train people how to make one but Yocto and other projects are better suited for creating a distro. The use of RPM though is IMO a bad choice and one that lets me know that it is very unlikely that this would ever become a major distro for Microsoft.

> The use of RPM though is IMO a bad choice and one that lets me know that it is very unlikely that this would ever become a major distro for Microsoft. reply Interesting take. Care to elaborate?

RPM is antiquated. New package managers like apk & pacman have had great success due to their simplicity and attracting a lot of maintainers that are able to maintain more stable packages than other distros.

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by happymellon »

Kukumber wrote: post #154
walterbell wrote: post #106

Microsoft employs primary maintainers of the Linux kernel (gregkh) and systemd (Lennart Poettering), among other Linux contributors. (correction: gregkh works for Linux Foundation, Sasha Levin works for MS). Azure Sphere OS for embedded is based on the Linux kernel, https://static.sched.com/hosted_files/ossna19/91/Crossover_E... There's also their NOS for merchant silicon whitebox networking, https://www.linuxfoundat…

It's very sad how linux ended up being eaten alive, rotten deep inside Devuan [1] or freebsd it is for me until an alternative emerges [1] - https://www.devuan.org/

How is Linux "rotten"?

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by borissk »

BeefWellington wrote: post #162
borissk wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As everyone else you're living in a bubble. In your bubble people probably do hate Windows. Given HN origin in the Silicon Valley - where macOS and Linux are very popular - probably the majority of HN users also hate Windows. But that doesn't say anything about the majority of the developers out there. From my experience Python and Ruby guys usually do use Linux and macOS, while .NET and Java devs run almost always W…

The overwhelming majority of developers I interact with these days are on MacOS, and it's not even close. Probably a 80-20 MacOS to Windows ratio. I'm not in Silicon Valley, and I work with people from lots of different companies. Every company that offers the option for devs to have a Macbook, that seems to be what the "average" dev is choosing for a while now. This is obviously an anecdotal sample size but I'm look…

Ask a C#/.NET and he'll tell you 90% of the developers he knows use Windows laptops (the real Visual Studio works only under Windows). There are more than 10M professional .NET developers out there.

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by happymellon »

josephg wrote: post #155
thrown_22 wrote: post #149

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>Imagine if the people who work at those companies aren't your enemy. But instead are potential customers and potential collaborators, who see value in your work and want it to succeed. Yes, but we'd have to imagine it isn't microsoft doing it. You'd think people would learn the dozenth time it happens, but no, here we are again with copilot and VS Studio Code.

Can you be more specific? What, exactly, are you mad about microsoft doing with vscode? Copilot is a whole other beast. I don't think there's any simple answers there.

Probably presenting a code editor with IDE like extensions that are all Open Source, and then gradually killing the Open Source extensions and switching them out for proprietary ones.

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by Godel_unicode »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #168
Godel_unicode wrote: post #94

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Because Windows is super easy for the vast majority of people to use and desktop Linux isn’t. Windows deployment isn’t bloated, it just has a ton of actual functionality that real users want and that doesn’t come for free. The UX for the admin is also super nice, with tons of online articles and communities with people who are willing to help you do what you’re trying to do, as opposed to tell you why what you want i…

The UX for the admin is also super nice, with tons of online articles and communities with people who are willing to help you do what you’re trying to do, as opposed to tell you why what you want is bad. > You mean the tons of online articles and communities trying to get you to purchase spyware? Linux has a substantial amount of communities and support, and with systemd things are getting pretty routine there isn't…

I assume you haven’t been new in a while, you should be aware that none of that is true.

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by janc_ »

loeg wrote: post #143
yareally wrote: post #126

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There does exist a conversion tool between them: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_(file_converter)

It's imperfect, due to the aforementioned differences in semantics.

In practice it is most useful (and probably intended?) for vendor RPMs that install in /opt/ where no conflicts can happen.

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by aitchnyu »

walterbell wrote: post #106

Microsoft employs primary maintainers of the Linux kernel (gregkh) and systemd (Lennart Poettering), among other Linux contributors. (correction: gregkh works for Linux Foundation, Sasha Levin works for MS). Azure Sphere OS for embedded is based on the Linux kernel, https://static.sched.com/hosted_files/ossna19/91/Crossover_E... There's also their NOS for merchant silicon whitebox networking, https://www.linuxfoundat…

10+ years ago, a MS dev inserted a hex constant B16B00B5 into the linux kernel and caused a fight.

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by NGRhodes »

easton wrote: post #68
dullcrisp wrote: post #64

How does CBL-Mariner running atop the user’s distribution in WSL work? Is the userland managed by the user’s distro or by this one?

It’s used as the “system distro” for running support services and stuff before/between when distros are loaded. The distro userland sits on top of the VM running CBL-mariner (and I’m almost certain that when you run multiple wsl distros they are all in one VM, though that may be wrong). Of interest, the CBL-Mariner ”system distro” is where the X server is for WSLg. https://raw.githubusercontent.com/microsoft/wslg/mai…

>and I’m almost certain that when you run multiple wsl distros they are all in one VM, though that may be wrong

Yes, they run as containers.

From https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/WSL/issues/1573#issuecommen...:

WSL distributions (instances) are not VMs. They are best described as "containers" running inside the WSL2 VM. Each WSL2 distribution/instance has its own isolated:

PID namespace Mount namespace User namespace (I believe) Cgroup namespace (And probably) IPC and UTS namespaces WSLg System Distribution (Windows 11 only) init process However, they all share the parent VM's:

Network namespace Device tree (other than /dev/pts) CPU/Kernel/Memory/Swap (obviously) /init binary (and some other binaries that are injected in)

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by janc_ »

anonymoushn wrote: post #132
e12e wrote: post #129

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> the procedure for upgrading to a newer release of ubuntu it you run sed as root to fix your sources.list, then you do-release-upgrade Are you talking about upgrading an lts release to the next dot.1 lts release, without dodgy third party apt-sources enabled?

I'm talking about upgrading a non-LTS release to an LTS release.

The only supported (=tested) upgrade from non-LTS to LTS is from the last version before the LTS, and you should not change the sources yourself when you do that.

When you skip releases, no distro will officially support such upgrades (except for Ubuntu LTS-to-LTS, without skipping an LTS), and things might break.

Also, when you really want to skip releases, it is often better (IME) to change the sources manually and not use do-release-upgrade, but use aptitude and/or synaptic and/or other such tools to fix the dependencies manually. In any case, you might have to fix some breakage afterwards (or mid-upgrade…), as it is untested & unsupported.

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