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Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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Post by gnicholas »

MikePlacid wrote: post #621
ufo wrote: post #586

In the US, where Twitter & Facebook are dominant, the current consensus in the public mind is that political polarization and radicalization are driven by the social media algorithms. However, I have always felt that this explanation was lacking. Here in Brazil we have many of the same problems but the dominant social media are Whatsapp group chats, which have no algorithms whatsoever (other than invisible spam filte…

> I think Yishan is nailing the nail on the head by focusing the discussion on user behavior instead of on the content itself. But user behavior problem can be solved cheaply, easily and in a scalable way: Give each user an ability to form the personal filter. Basically, all what I need is: 1. I want to read what person A writes - always. 2. I want to read what person B writes - always, except when talking to person…

Also:

1(b) I want to read what person A writes about #hashtag

1(c) I never want to see person A's posts about #hashtag

The latter can be bluntly accomplished by hiding everything about #hashtag, but sometimes you don't want to do that (you still want to see stuff on the topic, just not written by that person).

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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Post by pstuart »

haberman wrote: post #814
pstuart wrote: post #808

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I didn't downvote you earlier (and upvoted you now), I save downvotes for special occasions (and I think HN rations them, which is an interesting angle). I share your opinion of Biden (not my first choice but a breath of fresh air after his predecessor). I'd really like to come to a true understanding with you, because I want the truth to be promoted and lies and misinformation to be unamplified. But I still don't un…

I think the leak of thousands of authentic emails from a direct family member of a presidential candidate is newsworthy, regardless of what is in the emails. People should get to decide for themselves whether "10% for the big guy" is incriminating or not. If the story had gotten to run its normal course, my overall opinion would be that it actually makes Biden look pretty good (20k emails and this is the most incrimi…

> People should get to decide for themselves whether "10% for the big guy" is incriminating or not.

I applaud your faith in humanity but the same population isn't likely going to read the exonerating report that I cited elsewhere and will note here. Read the conclusion at the end and then tell me again why the laptop story still needs to be promoted:

https://www.finance.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HSGAC%20-%20Fin...

> If the story had gotten to run its normal course

Nobody pushing that story cares about anything other than the story sticking around to be a campaign talking point.

The Steele Dossier is far more complicated because of its origins and handling (yes Clinton helped fund some of it but McCain and Comey were alarmed by it). It was also always framed as raw, unverified intel that, once public, compelled verification of it. At that time it was also paired with the Buttery Mails investigation which likely tipped the scales away from Clinton.

Read the wiki and you can see that it's not cut and dried. Meanwhile that whole thing has been turned into RussiaGate and categorically denied. MSM has dropped that line.

Nobody on the left is defending Hunter Biden. But again, he's not the candidate, so why is there such concern? Because it's ButteryMails v2. The laptop story is the story.

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to condemn about the Dossier affair -- it had its moment in the sun and then was squashed, with the bonus that it's now projected that Trump is 100% innocent in regards to dealing with Russia and that just ain't the case.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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Post by Fervicus »

hackerlight wrote: post #577
Fervicus wrote: post #552

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My second statement answers that question. I don't want moderation advice from someone who was involved in a platform that purposely sets moderation policies to create political polarization. A comment by someone below sums it up nicely. > ...and it's triply not true on yishan's reddit which both through administrative measures and moderation culture targets any and all communities that do not share the favoured new-…

> favoured new-left politics. Citation needed. r/ChapoTrapHouse was banned, and there's many large alt-right subreddits in existence right now that haven't been banned (like r/tucker_carlson).

I don't have a reddit account, I just lurk without logging in. All the subreddits on the front page, which I assume are the default subreddits, sway the same way politically. Try commenting on r/news, r/worldnews, r/science or any of the front page subreddits with anything that doesn't match the party narrative and see how fast you get banned.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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Post by vkou »

makeitdouble wrote: post #688
ufo wrote: post #663

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My feed is already fine; no one is posting hateful politics on the group chats that I am in. The problem is that even if the hateful content doesn't reach me, it's still out there reaching other people. In the US, they ended up with stuff like the Capitol Insurrection. Here in Brazil, as we speak there are disgruntled "stop the steal" extremists blocking roads and calling for a military coup.

Why are we trying to bring technical solutions to a social problem ?

It's a social problem that's largely been created by technical solutions. To put simply, radicalization is a lot easier when you give every loon with an axe to grind both a megaphone, and an echo chamber to invite new recruits into.

Now, there are also problems with a world that doesn't give everyone access to 1:N broadcast media, but they are different problems.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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Post by anonyme-honteux »

didericis wrote: post #766
anonyme-honteux wrote: post #747

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Please write that article, I want to read it and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.

Thank you, I'll see if I can actually force myself to do it this time.

if that can help, you can email me a shitty first draft and ask for feedback if writing the whole things with all the historical research sounds like a daunting task

https://jmfayard.dev/

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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Post by emodendroket »

Spooky23 wrote: post #794
ufo wrote: post #586

In the US, where Twitter & Facebook are dominant, the current consensus in the public mind is that political polarization and radicalization are driven by the social media algorithms. However, I have always felt that this explanation was lacking. Here in Brazil we have many of the same problems but the dominant social media are Whatsapp group chats, which have no algorithms whatsoever (other than invisible spam filte…

It’s more nuanced than that. Social media has created watering holes for everything. Once communities of people who earnestly believe crazy shit. If you believed in alien lizard people controlling the world or in 1980, your options to collaborate with fellow lunatics were limited. Today, that’s a real thing with followers.

Not that limited. People like LaRouche managed.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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Post by emodendroket »

digitalsushi wrote: post #231

I can speak only at a Star Trek technobabble level on this, but I'd like it if I could mark other random accounts as "friends" or "trusted". Anything they upvote or downvote becomes a factor in whether I see a post or not. I'd also be upvoting/downvoting things, and being a possible friend/trusted. I'd like a little metadata with my posts, such as how controversial my network voted it. The ones that are out of calibr…

If you use Twitter long enough you'll find that some people you thought were interesting will either take an interest in a new topic ("yeah, I liked your discussions of music, but I actually don't ever wish to hear your political opinions") or just have some kind of epiphany that alienates you from them.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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Post by emodendroket »

jacobsenscott wrote: post #671

The solution is simple - only show users tweets from people they follow. People may say twitter can't make money this way, but with this model you don't need much money. You don't need moderation, or AI, or a massive infrastructure, or tracking, etc. You don't need managers or KPIs or HR, or anything beyond an engineer or two and a server or two. Musk could pay for this forever and it would never be more than a round…

Yeah no that would not actually solve the problem.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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Post by emodendroket »

jacobsenscott wrote: post #706
raz32dust wrote: post #696

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This is such a gross simplification. First, even people who you follow might post both wanted and unwanted content, and the platform will be more useful if it can somehow show me the things I want to see. Second, it overlooks content creator side of things. How does a new person without any followers start gaining them, or vice-versa a new person who doesn't know whom to follow yet. People keep saying this is what th…

You can choose to unfollow someone if their noise outweighs their signal, otherwise you just put up with it. Eliminate inline "cards" so they can't force 3rd party content into your stream. If they post a bunch of stuff you don't want to see you can unfollow - there is no way for anyone to force stuff on you. You discover content by people you follow posting links to content, and by search. Good content will gain a f…

I don't see why my options are either "unfollow Aunt Janice" or "see all of Aunt Janice's political posts."

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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Post by hackerlight »

Fervicus wrote: post #823
hackerlight wrote: post #577

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> favoured new-left politics. Citation needed. r/ChapoTrapHouse was banned, and there's many large alt-right subreddits in existence right now that haven't been banned (like r/tucker_carlson).

I don't have a reddit account, I just lurk without logging in. All the subreddits on the front page, which I assume are the default subreddits, sway the same way politically. Try commenting on r/news, r/worldnews, r/science or any of the front page subreddits with anything that doesn't match the party narrative and see how fast you get banned.

There are people on the far-left that say the same thing. Everyone with unhinged extremist views feels this way. That feeling by itself isn't data in support of the claim.
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