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Ask HN: How to overcome strong feelings of worthlesness and inadequacy

#1
I need help HN.

I have been stuck in a dead end job for the past few years and I've forgotten what's it like to have a passion for development, I've forgotten what's it like to have the ability to create something.

A bit of background first: I have been programming for the past 6 years, mostly I've been doing pretty much the same job for the past six years (1 year repeated 6 times) even though I somewhat enjoyed it I never learned anything besides the typical CRUD apps. Very few times I had to develop something from scratch, my job consisted mostly of fixing bugs and the new feature every now and then, so even though I have 6 years of "programming" experience I feel unable to build stuff, I am far far away from being a truly experienced developer.

I graduated with an information technology degree where I was not exposed to a lot of computer science, however I never really saw it as a flaw, until now. Most of my programming knowledge I learned "on the job", at least I learned enough to do the kind of Job I've always done, but not much more than that. Sadly I realize now that I lack a natural curiosity for how things work and that most of the time I was blindly copying/pasting code from the Internet, I've fooled myself into thinking that I am a programmer.

I started reading HN since last year, and ever since I've become anxious and depressed.

Anxious because HN has introduced me to technologies, people and ideas that I find incredibly amazing and inspiring, so much in fact that for the first time I feel that a programmer is much much more than just fixing bugs, that you can create amazing things!, this started a revolution in my head, I now have a goal: I want to be like these guys I want be admired by my peers and start amazing projects or maybe launch a cool startup, who knows? for the first time I feel that the sky really is the limit, all the tools that you need are there for the taking for FREE all the knowledge you need is right there! look at all the amazing technologies like node, backbone.js, coffeescript, redis, riak, neo4j, hadoop, clojure, scala, django, rails, android, look at all the cool things you can do with linux, bash ...I mean it's all over the place and they are open source...I have no excuse.

Depressed because I feel worthless compared to all the amazing hackers of the HN community, I feel that no matter how hard I work I will never be at the same level as any of you.

I have tried telling myself that its alright, that its all about hard work that I have to stop feeling sorry for myself and just do it and start working, but no matter how hard I try I keep having these feelings of inadequacy and pretty soon I'm back to feeling sorry for myself, "it doesn't matter how hard you work, you'll never be like them" says the little devil in the back of my head, and this time the feeling is twice as strong because I've failed once more.

This is indeed ruining my life.

To make matters worse I lost my job two months ago and I can't find a new job, I fail every interview time and time again, I have applied for junior positions but I am rejected because of my age and profile...even though my experience is useless and meaningless.

I have a gigantic list of ideas and technologies and "stuff" that I have compiled throughout the time I've been reading HN of things I want to learn, things I SHOULD know to save face and call myself a programmer again.I keep adding and adding items to that list but I never finish anything, I lack too much knowledge that I don't even know how I can call myself a programmer anymore, let alone how am I going to get through the interviews, how can I ever reach my goal of becoming a hacker?

I bought a few books for instance Introduction to algorithms and SCIP I get motivated, I start reading doing the exercises, watching the lectures and then boom! I lose motivation, and worst I never end up doing anything useful, whatever little I learn I forget.

I have tried to start side projects I have a cool idea set up I start thinking about it and then again I lose motivation "that's too hard, too much work you'll never be able to finish that, why are you even trying?" again say the voices in the back of my head.

I can't finish anything.

I'm 30 years old and I do not know what do anymore I am thinking of seeing a therapist because I truly feel there is something wrong with me and sadly thoughts of suicide have popped up every now and then... I'm seriously thinking of quitting development altogether and doing something else. At 30 and with a wife this is a big risk but I can't keep living like this anymore.

If anyone can give me any pointers that can help me overcome these feeling I'll really appreciate it.

Sorry for the long post, and thank you for reading.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome strong feelings of worthlesness and inadequacy

#2
While youre waiting start exercising, preferably outdoors, running, cycling or whatever. Force yourself and although I'm in California and we don't have miserable weather, I find that weather has that "whatever doesn't kill you" aspect to it.

Don't give up on finding another job. It will happen, just keep at it. Some people (me included) can only stay enthusiastic about a job for about a year. Then it becomes a paycheck and whatever else I can get out of it until I can move on to the next one.

I don't believe the mantra that idea's are a dime a dozen. Keep looking until you find an idea that really grabs you and get as much as you can out of it. If nothing else, do it and brush up on your tech skills for that next interview.

Please do see someone professional about your thoughts of suicide. Good luck, you are not alone.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome strong feelings of worthlesness and inadequacy

#3
Sounds like you're depressed and jealous. Not a good thing. You might want to ask yourself why you worked in that dead-end job for 6 years, did you not know about HN during that time?

You can start by getting some sunshine for Vitamin D, and do some physical exercise of some sort, beyond that, you have to set yourself some goals, however small.

What sort of person do you wish to become when you become That Hacker? Perhaps you could give something to charity or start answering some questions on SO to feel better about yourself, or at least chrystalize your current knowledge.

I would also look at any heavy metal toxicity you might have.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome strong feelings of worthlesness and inadequacy

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post #2

While youre waiting start exercising, preferably outdoors, running, cycling or whatever. Force yourself and although I'm in California and we don't have miserable weather, I find that weather has that "whatever doesn't kill you" aspect to it. Don't give up on finding another job. It will happen, just keep at it. Some people (me included) can only stay enthusiastic about a job for about a year. Then it becomes a paych…

Thank you.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome strong feelings of worthlesness and inadequacy

#5
I'd probably spend less time on Hacker News. The percentage of programmers in the world who have actually finished SICP and CLRS is really small. I have copies of both sitting here next to me and have only finished a couple of sections. No reason to feel bad about it. Also, plenty of people have been out of work for over 2 months.

I also recommend getting outdoors and doing things besides worrying about whether you are the best hacker. Last year I was working with a small company with an uncertain future and was really anxious and worried the whole time. This year I quit and moved to Oregon. Since then, I have spent a lot of time visiting parks/waterfalls/the gorge, and lately the goal of being the richest/greatest/most elite programmer hasn't seemed very important.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome strong feelings of worthlesness and inadequacy

#6

Sounds like you're depressed and jealous. Not a good thing. You might want to ask yourself why you worked in that dead-end job for 6 years, did you not know about HN during that time? You can start by getting some sunshine for Vitamin D, and do some physical exercise of some sort, beyond that, you have to set yourself some goals, however small. What sort of person do you wish to become when you become That Hacker? Pe…

Thank you.

No I didn't know about HN back then...the only reason I stayed in that job was because I had to pay for my education, I worked and went to school at the same time.

What do you mean by heavy metal toxicity?

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome strong feelings of worthlesness and inadequacy

#7
post #2

While youre waiting start exercising, preferably outdoors, running, cycling or whatever. Force yourself and although I'm in California and we don't have miserable weather, I find that weather has that "whatever doesn't kill you" aspect to it. Don't give up on finding another job. It will happen, just keep at it. Some people (me included) can only stay enthusiastic about a job for about a year. Then it becomes a paych…

Thank you.

Seeing "someone professional about your thoughts of suicide" is a good idea if the thoughts are very bad and pervasive and you are in danger to yourself or others, I think. But in the end they'll offer only two things: psychotherapy or psychotropic medication - is that a long-term, sustainable and smart solution?

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome strong feelings of worthlesness and inadequacy

#8

I'd probably spend less time on Hacker News. The percentage of programmers in the world who have actually finished SICP and CLRS is really small. I have copies of both sitting here next to me and have only finished a couple of sections. No reason to feel bad about it. Also, plenty of people have been out of work for over 2 months. I also recommend getting outdoors and doing things besides worrying about whether you a…

Thank you.

Sadly HN has become like a drug to me... I have tried several times to ignore and stop coming back here but it has never worked and when I procrastinate I always end up coming back.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome strong feelings of worthlesness and inadequacy

#9

Sounds like you're depressed and jealous. Not a good thing. You might want to ask yourself why you worked in that dead-end job for 6 years, did you not know about HN during that time? You can start by getting some sunshine for Vitamin D, and do some physical exercise of some sort, beyond that, you have to set yourself some goals, however small. What sort of person do you wish to become when you become That Hacker? Pe…

Thank you. No I didn't know about HN back then...the only reason I stayed in that job was because I had to pay for my education, I worked and went to school at the same time. What do you mean by heavy metal toxicity?

I am thinking one of the most common sources: Mercury toxicity from amalgam fillings. They can test your hair for it. I'd look at getting some tests done although I've never gone down that route myself so can't advise. Do you have a passion for anything, or only feeling bad about yourself and your situation? Have you read the Power of Now, it says to separate your life from your life situation?

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome strong feelings of worthlesness and inadequacy

#10

I'd probably spend less time on Hacker News. The percentage of programmers in the world who have actually finished SICP and CLRS is really small. I have copies of both sitting here next to me and have only finished a couple of sections. No reason to feel bad about it. Also, plenty of people have been out of work for over 2 months. I also recommend getting outdoors and doing things besides worrying about whether you a…

Thank you. Sadly HN has become like a drug to me... I have tried several times to ignore and stop coming back here but it has never worked and when I procrastinate I always end up coming back.

Have you been a lurker all this time? Maybe you should start writing.
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